Thoughts on this 1938-D Buffalo Auction Result?

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  1. Keyman64

    Keyman64 Well-Known Member

    https://coins.ha.com/itm/buffalo-ni...5-5-cdn-125-whsle-bid-for-ngc/a/63191-44022.s

    I see what many would call AT/QC, a possible staple scratch running from chin to rim, divots out of the jaw, a heavy hit under the jaw in the field and ohhh a number of other hits on the coin. It could have been in a genuine/details holder for two different reasons but no. I have seen coins with more minor scratches go into genuine/details holders.

    Your thoughts?
     
    Keyman64, Aug 1, 2022
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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I don't think that's a staple scratch, for starters. Some of those marks may not be as severe or deep as you think. That being said, perhaps the coin was charitably graded, who knows?

    AT/QC? Maybe it passed muster once, but wouldn't on subsequent submissions (like if I sent it in, LOL). I've seen some questionable stuff go through, as we all have. But in this case I wouldn't tend to care unless it was really egregious, which I don't think this is.

    It's a pretty coin.

    PS- I didn't log in for the full zoomable images, so bear that in mind.
     
    lordmarcovan, Aug 2, 2022
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  4. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    PPS- okay, I did log in and looked at the closer images.

    And the price. Yow. That seems nutzo to me, but maybe some bidders just got carried away after they got hypnotized by the toning. Eh, to each his own.
     
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  5. dwhiz

    dwhiz Collector Supporter

    Sure looks like a staple scratch to me.
    I think people were dazzled by the colors, but to each their own.
     
    dwhiz, Aug 2, 2022
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  6. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    That's just crazy. There could be another explanation for the "scratch", but none that I can think of.
     
    Chris B, Aug 2, 2022
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  7. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Not made from a staple, the two sets of dark lines that do not link up but are actually parallel were made from a rubber ban.
    Lord M was correct as this is what happens to a coin exposed to a rubber band over time. And heres another tid bit those dark lines you cannot remove. ...may grow lighter in color but like a carbon spot here to stay.
    For whatvever reason peoples rubber band rolls of coins.
    Ive seen it on a stack of 2x2's where the plastic tore and the rubber ban layed on the exposed coin.
    Ive never used or seen any use for using rubber bans on coins for any reason other than holding a lid on a box.
    But that doesn't expose the rubber to the silver surface.
     
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  8. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    That’s what it looked like to me. A dark line. I’d expect a staple scratch to catch the light more in most photos.
     
    lordmarcovan, Aug 2, 2022
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  9. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    Zooming way in on the TV it looks like a strike-through or even retained strike-through. It seems to snake along the rim.
    1938-D_5c_zoom.jpg
     
    KBBPLL, Aug 2, 2022
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  10. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    okay, I give up,

    What was the final price?
     
    Treashunt, Aug 2, 2022
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  11. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    Could it be Chief Iron Tail had a wild hair?
     
    Hommer, Aug 2, 2022
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  12. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

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  13. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Wow. Zoomed in like that, I would've come around to the point of view of the people who said it was a staple scratch, after all. Until I noticed, as you said, where it snakes along the rim like that.
     
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  14. Keyman64

    Keyman64 Well-Known Member

    I had a respected numismatist look at the coin in hand. I was told it was a scratch. This is not carbon, rubber band stuff, strange toning, aliens etc. That is a scratch from chin to rim.
     
    Keyman64, Aug 2, 2022
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  15. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Or a die crack. Tough to tell from pics
     
    Mainebill, Aug 2, 2022
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  16. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    If it's a scratch, it's interesting that it does not cross the rim. Instead, it (seemingly) makes a smooth curve and then follows along the edge of the rim. I'm still thinking strike-through, which could explain why they didn't give it Details.
     
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  17. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Treashunt, Aug 4, 2022
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  18. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Crazy? I’d call that insane!
     
    Collecting Nut, Aug 4, 2022
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  19. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Eye candy
     
    eddiespin, Aug 4, 2022
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  20. mrweaseluv

    mrweaseluv Supporter! Supporter

    I got a nice MS66 I'll let you have for 1/2 that price lol....
     
    mrweaseluv, Aug 4, 2022
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  21. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank


    I was trying to be nice.

    :)

    But I agree.
     
    Treashunt, Aug 5, 2022
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