Boy Scouts of America Coin

As a performer I know quite a lot of gay men and not one of them is a pedophile! I wouldn't have a problem with them camping with my son but that's because I know them. A gay stranger with my son would probably get more scrutiny (especially from my wife!) but I'm guessing it's not any more scrutiny than a straight man would get if he was camping with my daughter...(if I had a daughter!) Men in general seem to be more prone to being deviants!

All that said, I have a hard time faulting the BSA for their policy--they want a thriving membership in a right-of-center country. I'm gunna up my order: 3 proof, 3 unc!

 

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I respect you, but I'm glad to hear you're no longer associate with the scouts.

 

yakpoo-
It sounds like you're anti-Gaytheist! (I just wanted to use my new word!)

 

Absolutely not me. An anti-gay, anti-atheist organization should not be commemorated on a coin. The Boy Scouts of America is far from an honorable organization and I will not support them in any way.

 

How do you really know none of them would be? Because they haven't come out and admitted it to you? You really don't know.

I don't want to take the thread in this direction any further. It's really a shame this topic even has to be associated with the boy scouts as I'm sure the vast majority are good people doing things to be proud of.

Although covering up the mess they've had for decades doesn't help their case and tends to give the program a black eye that may never go away.

 

lol :mouth: Well, it looks like they can't win. They have both sides enraged. May as well shut it down.

 

True, it is just a guess; like I'm guessing you wouldn't be suspicious of your friends with your children (if you have children) even though you probably haven't asked them directly if they are pedophiles. Then again, they might just lie to you if they are...

 

It has devolved to this, "Only EVIL Organizations need apply for commemoration on our coins." This should please YOU, but it makes me sick to my stomach. I did not wish to engage in political discussion on this board, but I couldn't let that pantload pass unanswered.

 

It's this kind of thinking that is tearing this country apart. Gays and atheists are Americans, just like straights and Christians. They are certainly not evil people because they are biologically disposed to forming relationships with members of the same sex or because they do not see any reason to believe in a god. They are (or, as a gay atheist myself I should say WE are) members of the American community and should be treated with the same respect as anyone else. In a civilized society this should go without saying.

If gay people or atheists make you sick to your stomach you have a very weak stomach. My prescription: spend time with people who are different from you. You'll be surprised just how little those differences end up meaning in the long run.

Furthermore, I fully support the BSA's right to exclude anyone they want from their group. It is their freedom of association as granted by the First Amendment. I don't have to respect them because of their policies however.

 

I do not have to respect sin, just because I respect and love the sinners. Sin away. It's not my judgment you have to be concerned about. What I detest is the demand of the sinners that we condone and celebrate their sin and denigrate anyone opposed to their sinning. We all have our pet sins, but we don't all demand that our sin be celebrated and respected.

 

I disagree wholeheartedly with this. There has as yet been no hard scientific evidence about homosexuality---and yet the rights activists make loud claims. There has been no real evidence disconnecting homosexuals from pedophilia: in fact, some studies suggest a higher rate of contact between homosexuals and older boys. The BSA is tasked with serious responsibilities here, and their policies may seem tough, but they are taking precautions in our highly litigious era: their protection programs receive national commendation.

The recent "coverup" allegation is a sesationalistic ploy: this effort to track potential dangerous persons began long before state and national policing efforts became focussed and coordinated, as a practical response to a real problem. This is being damned for doing the right thing.

Before you jump on the equivalency bandwagon, take a look at the International Mr. Leather website. Or find out about national chains of gay bathhouses formed to allow abusive sexual practices.

With respect to atheists, surely they have their own organizations. To take this as an area of criticism is laughable.

 

I believe this thread is heading in a direction that would be more suited for the PRWE forum. This type of discussion has no place in a US coin forum. "Duke" it out over there......

 

I'm glad God has appointed you to officially declare what is and is not a sin. There are many people out there whose god says it's a sin to eat shellfish and that it's a sin for women to drive cars. Luckily we have you to sort it all out for us.

Religion is a giant buffet of love and hate: you can pick out whatever you want to suit your own agenda.

There is of course no real link between homo/bisexuality and pedophilia. This is a myth started by Anita Bryant in the 1970s with her "Save the Children" campaign (http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/facts_molestation.html) (similar to the 1950s belief that black men liked to rape white women).

As for the cause of homosexuality, yes that is still in the dark. But equally in the dark is what causes people to be heterosexual. It is known that there is an underyling difference in brain structure. The American Psychological Association has long stated that homosexuality is not in any way a choice, alterable, or a mental illness.

As for the "Mr. Leather" site and the gay bathouses (which yes I find disgusting), there are many kinky things that some straight people do too, but I don't judge all straight people based on the actions of a few.

But believe the lies you need to believe to justify your own bigotry. I just don't want anybody else reading this thread to get the wrong impression.

(As for atheists having their own groups: the real problem is that the BSA does not market itself as a religious organization. It perpetuates the myth that there is honor in believing in a god and dishonor in not believing in one.)

 

I'm sorry I felt compelled to respond to this garbage. I will cease and hope "It" does as well.

 

Ditto

 

This is sexist. It is as sexist as sexist gets.

Check your PM.

 

"(As for atheists having their own groups: the real problem is that the BSA does not market itself as a religious organization. It perpetuates the myth that there is honor in believing in a god and dishonor in not believing in one.) "

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I was going to stay out of this entirely, being an adult leader of my son's scout troop. The above statement is inacurate though. It states right in the first thing the boy's lear that "On my honor, I will do my best, to do my duty to GOD and my country..." Fairly up front about the religion thing. The boy scouts Was born as a Chrisatian organuzation and . thoug it has evolved to include other religions, it still believes that one's religion is an important part of one's being.

The belief that they ban gays due to fears of pedephilia is also inacurate. Statistics show that more pedophiles are not otherwise homosexual than those that are. The reason for the banning is due to the religious reasons. As a private organization they have a right to restrict their membership. You don't have to like it but you should respect their rights if you want yours to be respected in return.

 

I completely agree. However, in my opinion, such policies make the BSA an organization not worthy to be commemorated on a coin.
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If you believe that then NO organization that restricts their membership due to religion, race, gender, or other belief should be allowed to be commemorated on a coin. The army, Navy, Airforce, marines do not did not allow women to serve on the front line so they should be eliminated. Desegration was about a specific racial group so it should be eliminated. Any person that beloings to that secret organization known as the MAsons should be excluded, Oh wait , thats most of the founding fathers.

If you don't want to honor scouts because they don't accept gays then don't ever honor any gay organization because you have to meet certyain criteria there also.

The truth is that every organization that has or will be honored will have limitations of some sort or other restricting who may and may not belong. Any group that is "all inclusive" will have more people refusing to participate than those willing to.

 

I gotta agree!! I support the boy scouts but I don't support the US mint and their design of this commemorative. To be honest with y'all the US mint hasn't put out a descent commemorative since I don't know when. I'm just sayin'!! hya: