New ancient Greek coin bought on a whim (with perhaps some buyer's remorse)

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by AussieCollector, May 14, 2022.

  1. AussieCollector

    AussieCollector Moderator Moderator

    This coin is a bit of a departure from my usual MO. The coin is not from one of the great Greek empires or famous city states and (therefore) wasn’t on my want list.

    I didn’t research it first, I just thought it looked nice and (given it was through a reputable auction house) I bought it.

    I have a bit of buyer’s remorse not because of the coin itself, but because of the final cost (which I did not calculate correctly in my head - the exchange rate and auction house fees really added up!)

    Yet, it is a design I didn’t have until now, and it is a fine looking coin with nice eye appeal.

    Without further ado, I’m pleased to present a didrachm from Tarentum (Taras). The reverse of the coin depicts Taras (the son of Poseidon) being rescued by a dolphin sent by his father following a shipwreck. After being brought ashore by the dolphin, Taras founded a city under his name. The obverse of the coin shows a naked horse rider, symbolizing the equestrian events that took place in the ancient city of Taras.

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    Calabria, Tarentum AR Nomos
    Circa 302-280 BC
    Struck under the magistrates, Si- and Deinokrates
    Obverse: Nude rider on horseback to right, holding lance in right hand and shield with two javelins in left; ΣI to left, ΔEINOKPATHΣ below
    Reverse: Taras, holding small dolphin, astride dolphin to left; TAPAΣ behind, uncertain letters (ΔA?) below
    Vlasto 692-3; SNG ANS 1066-8; HN Italy 967
    Weight: 7.70g
    Diameter: 22mm

    Please feel free to share your Taras or southern Italian ancient Greek coins, or any other ancient Greek coin you’d like to share!
     
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  3. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    Congratulations for the coin. The dolphin rider is very popular (I don't have an example and my attempts to grab one failed).
    I find the coin pleasant and I would like a similar example in my album.
    Buyer remorse - well, now all of us felt that once or twice. Mainly depends on the final price. But again, this is a good coin and withe the price you paid you probably would have gotten 2-3 other coins but not as nice.

    Here is my only Tarentum coin (I admit I had no remorse - price was 12 EUR + 17% fees)

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    Calabria. Tarentum circa 380-325 BC.
    Diobol AR
    10 mm, 0,90 g
    CALABRIA, Tarentum. Circa 380-325 BC. AR Diobol Head of Athena right, wearing crested Attic helmet decorated with hippocamp/ Herakles crouching right, holding club and strangling the Nemean Lion to right. Vlasto 1303–5; HN Italy 911.
     
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  4. Ignoramus Maximus

    Ignoramus Maximus Nomen non est omen.

    No need for buyer's remorse. It's a great coin!:) And from a great city in Magna Graecia. (At least, I think so. Without it, Pyrrhos wouldn't have ended up in Italy and given us the Pyrrhic victory). And I love the dolphin in Taras' hand on yours...
    tarentum, nomos.jpg

    I sometimes wonder why they prepared their flans in a slightly octagonal shape.
    Does anyone know?
     
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  5. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    Beautifull nomos, congrats Aussie
    same coin as Ignoramus example:

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  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Taras, Calabria.jpg
    TARAS, CALABRIA
    AR Diobol
    OBVERSE: Head of Athena in crested helmet left decorated with Skylla
    REVERSE: Herakles kneeling right, strangling lion
    Struck at Taras 380-334 BC
    1.2g, 11mm
    Vlasto 1316
     
  7. Agricantus

    Agricantus Allium aflatunense

    Riding on a dolphin and holding a dolphin. How cool is that?

    6 dolphin riders made it into my collection. None of them in high grade, unfortunately. This is my oldest 365-355BC. There's a herm on the obverse, facing the horse. And phalantos holding an oinochoe on the reverse.

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  8. happy_collector

    happy_collector Well-Known Member

    Congrats on your new pickup, @AussieCollector.

    Riding on a dolphin is such a very cool design idea. Here is my example.
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  9. DonnaML

    DonnaML Well-Known Member

    I think it's a great acquisition, @AussieCollector. A year from now, or even less, you'll have forgotten the cost, and will just appreciate having such a beautiful coin.

    Here are my two examples of dolphin-rider coins from Tarentum:

    Tarentum, Calabria. AR Nomos (didrachm), ca. 302-280 BCE. Magistrates Sa.., Arethon and Cas-. Obv. Youth on horseback right, crowning horse with wreath; magistrates' names: ΣA to left and AΡE/ΘΩN in two lines below/ Rev. TAΡAΣ, Phalanthos astride dolphin left, holding tripod, CAΣ below. Vlasto 666 [Ravel, O.E., Descriptive Catalogue of the Collection of Tarentine Coins formed by M.P. Vlasto (London, 1947, reprinted)]; HN Italy 957 [Rutter, N.K., ed., Historia Numorum Italy (London, 2001)]; SNG ANS 1046 [Sylloge Nummorum Graecorum, USA, The Collection of the American Numismatic Society, Part 1: Etruria - Calabria (New York 1969)]. 23 mm., 7.86 g.

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    Tarentum, Calabria. AR Nomos, ca. 272-240 BCE. Magistrates Sy… and Lykinos. Obv. Nude youth on horse advancing to left, crowning horse with wreath held in right hand, holding reins in left hand; to right, ΣΥ; below horse, ΛΥΚΙ/ΝΟΣ in two lines / Rev. Phalanthos [not “Taras”; see https://coinsweekly.com/and-this-is-where-aristotle-was-wrong/] astride dolphin to left, his back half-turned to viewer, brandishing trident held in right hand, chlamys draped over left arm; ΤΑ-ΡΑΣ beneath dolphin; in right field, owl standing to left, head facing.. Vlasto 836-841 [all same type] at p. 95 & Pl. XXVII [Ravel, O.E., Descriptive Catalogue of the Collection of Tarentine Coins formed by M.P. Vlasto (London, 1947, reprinted 1977)]; HN Italy 1025 [Rutter, N.K., ed., Historia Numorum Italy (London, 2001)]. 19.5 mm., 6.47 g, 12 h. (“Reduced standard” compared to larger size of earlier coins, beginning after arrival of Pyrrhus in Italy ca. 280 BCE.) Purchased at Nomos Obolos Auction 22, 6 March 2022, Lot 39.

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  10. romismatist

    romismatist Well-Known Member

    Here's an Ae that I acquired in one of the recent Artemide Aste auctions that I haven't seen for sale for a while. It's not in great condition but has the city ethnic on the side where Hercules is sitting on the rocks. Athena is on the obverse, which I always find fascinating as Taras was said to be founded by emigrants from Sparta, not Athens. Still, Athena and her owl continue to be an enduring theme on many coins of Taras, most notably the drachm and diobols.

    All of the copper/bronze coinage was minted from 281 - 209 BC, overlapping the period of the First Punic War. In the fourth century, Taras was somewhat exceptional within Magna Grecia that it issued a tremendous variety of fractional denominations solely in silver when other city-states in Magna Grecia and Sicily had already replaced their smaller silver fractions with bronze coinage.

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    I have a number of other coins from Taras (it is one of my collecting areas) but have not taken photos of any of those coins recently. I also haven't acquired many coins of Taras recently due to the ongoing sky-high prices. When building out my collection, I've opted for acquiring examples of the different denominations rather than building out a collection of didrachms, of which there appear to be a million different varieties. These didrachms are some of the most beautiful but also plentiful examples of Greek and Magna Grecian coinage available.

    Note also that a new book on Tarentine diobols was recently released (I assisted in the translation of the book from Italian to English). It's a hardcover book with 235 pages. It has something like 2000 colour illustrations of diobols from various museums, private collections and auctions, catalogued into 283 different types. You can buy the book (it's EUR 70 but well worth it!) from Edizione d'Andrea's website: https://www.edizionidandrea.com/product-page/the-diobols-of-tarentum.

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    Following this, there will be an extensive 3-volume hardcover series devoted to all the coins of Tarentum. Volume 1 will hopefully be completed and available around July/September.
     
  11. AussieCollector

    AussieCollector Moderator Moderator

    Thanks everyone for the encouragement on buyer's remorse, sharing your coins, and further information.

    Loving the different designs and variations on the same theme, along with other coins from Taras.

    It's an area of Greek settlements and events (southern Italy) that I haven't really paid much attention to previously, but I have a newfound interest.
     
  12. Clavdivs

    Clavdivs Well-Known Member

    Awesome coin .. would love to see a "Bing's Coins" thread where you would just add a coin a week and we would show our similar examples for 7 days and start again. You have so many great coins to share.
     
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  13. AussieCollector

    AussieCollector Moderator Moderator

    Bing does have a very large collection! It is very impressive, with lots of eye appeal.
     
  14. AussieCollector

    AussieCollector Moderator Moderator

    By the way @DonnaML, I love your second coin. It's got the works, Phalanthos on a dolphin, a trident, an owl - and it even says TARAS in big bold letters on the bottom! The die engraver wasn't holding back that day :)

    @Ignoramus Maximus - re your question, I don't know about these coins specifically, but experience from my interest in the age of sail tells me that they were probably shaved or cut down. I believe these coins were supposed to be just shy of 8 grams, and yet we often see them at 6 something grams or even 5 something grams. I wonder whether it was because they aren't to the Attica standard, or perhaps they were cut down to a Carthage standard.
     
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  15. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I have over 800 coins. Not sure how someone with a large collection could show them all.
     
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  16. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Congrats, @AussieCollector! I think any collection of Greek coins benefits from at least one of these wonderful dolphin-riders. :) Two of my favorites...

    Tarentum - Nomos Small Dolphin new 1898.jpg CALABRIA, Tarentum
    AR Stater. 7.50g, 20.2mm. CALABRIA, Tarentum, circa 325-281 BC. Fischer-Bossert 870c (this coin); Vlasto 607; SNG Copenhagen 849; SNG France 1800 (same obverse die). O: Nude rider on horse galloping to right, stabbing with spear held in his right hand and holding two other spears and shield with his left; below, ΣΑ. R: TAPAΣ, Phalanthos riding dolphin to left, holding kantharos in his right hand and trident in his left; below, little dolphin leaping left; K in left field.

    Tarentum - Nomos - Prow.jpg CALABRIA, Tarentum
    AR Stater. 7.75g, 22.3mm. CALABRIA, Tarentum, circa 332-281 BC. Fischer-Bossert Group 80, 1131 (V417/R873); Vlasto 587; HN Italy 934. O: Warrior, holding shield and two spears, preparing to cast a third, on horseback right; ΣA below. R: TAPAΣ, Phalanthos, holding distaff, riding dolphin left; pellet to left; below, prow left.
    Ex Thomas Bentley Cederlind Collection; Ex Numismatica Ars Classica 84 (20 May 2015), lot 1358
     
  17. Marco Miglioli

    Marco Miglioli New Member

    Hi, this diobol isn’t from Tarentum but from Herakleia (Lucania)

    Best regards
     
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  18. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    Hi Marco. Do you know the reference for the coin? Would it be similar to https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=241465
    I know the design is not unique for Tarentum.
    EDIT - after checking the coin again, I see the HE on the reverse, clearer in hand with the magnifying glass. Coin should be similar to https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=203148
    Many thanks.
     
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  19. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Good on you, @AussieCollector - this is a type I’ve been meaning to add, myself. Haven’t got one yet.
     
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