1968- S/S (D?) DDO Lincoln cent RPM

Hello again all. I have a 1968 S/S -(D)? Doubled die Lincoln cent. Can someone tell me if this is true? And what could it be valued at in XF-AU condition? There is significant doubling throughout every letter of LIBERTY, the date and MM. There may be some in IGWT. Also, doubling is very bold and noticeable by naked eye. I just cant figure out if it is S/S or S/D. I can not find any research to ths coin either. Better yet, who would be a excellent person to send this to for either evaluating the coin or to get it graded? I think its worth investing my time and money.

 

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Get it graded by NGC or PCGS. I have not seen one so cannot give you a value.

 

Something to check on your coin is the doubling of the date in relation to the mint mark. Since the mint-mark is punched after the die is hubbed, a double die won't show up on the mintmark. I suppose a doubled die could have an RPM, but I guess the direction/offset would be different. Just some incomplete thoughts...

 

I apologize... I worded it incorrectly. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

Kurt is correct in that one would expect the mintmark not to appear doubled in the same way as the rest of the obverse. To be so, would be a suspicion of machine doubling. I can't tell from the photos, sorry. You could of course send to a Grading company, but it might be a start to show to a coin dealer or ask at a coin club meeting before that.

The only DDO and RPM lincoln I am aware of is the 1960-D/D sm date/lg date

Jim

 

Here is another picture. So basically, IF the S is doubled, this coin would be a machine doubling??

 

That would not be neccessarly true. There could be Hub doubling or Master Die Doubling. I cant tell from your photo's if the MM has doubling or not.

 

Hub or Master die doubling would not give a doubled mintmark as the mintmark was applied after that process until 1990. If the mintmark has "doubling" in approximately the same direction and similar amount as the date "doubling", then all is machine doubling. From squinting and looking at your photos, it appears this is the case. If you have a Cherrypicker guide, look at the 1969-S DDO photo. The "S" is conspicously not doubled.

Jim

 

Hi,

None of that really comes into play with this coin. Every bit of the doubling is machine doubling. There is no doubled die, doubled mintmark or overmintmark on this coin.

The first post indicates to me that the person is new to die varieties and it is great to have an up and coming die variety enthusiast amongst us

I made many mistakes at the beginning by thinking that every form of doubling was something good. There are more forms of doubling caused by mechanical issues during a strike than there are doubled dies. At the beginning, I had to learn the difference. It's a long journey but we have to start somewhere.

Anyway....There is no valuable form of doubling on this coin.

Thanks,
Bill

 

Of course this is perfectly true and correct.

Of course this is perfectly true and correct.

 

Send me a private message and I will send you a DDO

Send me a private message and I will send you a DDO 68S I have a few dozen both proof and mint state it won't cost you anything unless you want to send me stamp back.

 

here's my 1968-s DD - thought I'd share the picture.

 

Welcome, its a journey for sure..the pages ive learned to look at are: Wexlers Die Varieties, coppercoins.com, briansvarietycoins, variety vista -ask Dr. James Wiles, CONECEA errorscope magazines.. or what your doing now. Get the Cherry Pickers guide the newest just came out in Nov 2015, buy on EBAY..and read up on TYPES of doubling ..

 

Think I have one like that...

 

I found a BU 1968-S D DO, same question and will send to grading as well.

 

Before you spend your money, check this out. If it looks like this, you got your hopes up too high, it's strike doubling...

 

OK, I am aware and see the strike doubling. Here's another I found a 1956-d but these are not so common either, I rarely find these. Are any of these doublings worth sending in for grading? Do they have any increased value over the normal coin? Is your term "strike doubling" what PCGS calls Repunched Mint Mark? For example, see an item I'm selling; https://www.ebay.com/itm/303205366403

 

Here's another repunched mint mark "strike doubling" on a 1970-S I found and again, I don't run into this very often. If it's not aligned, isn't this a DD as well? I appreciate the knowledge.

 

NO. Strike doubling is another way of saying machine doubling (no added value)
Until 1989/90 the mintmark was punched by hand in to the master die after the die was hubbed. When the MM was incorrectly punched and had to be re-done, this is an RPM When you see the same flat, shelflike appearance on both date and mintmark, you can be pretty sure that what you have is machine doubling.
Study what doubled dies and RPM's look like on these sites
http://varietyvista.com/
https://doubleddie.com/ there is some good reading on here about the minting process and how dies are made. Invaluable if you are concentrating on varieties

 

Thanks for the info. Isn't this RPM you call "strike doubling" also "hub-doubling (doubled die) errors caused by misalignment of the second squeeze" (source); https://doubleddie.com/58201.html in what you mentioned? Not clear on why it appears to show a double strike yet not called double die? It also claims this was corrected after 1985 using a single squeeze. My coin is the 1968-S when hub doubling was very possible? Same on this 1970-S, yes? Why can't I find any of these in the RPM's at varietyvista?