Let's see your exonumia!

1968 New Orleans
Heraldic Art Medal
so-called half dollar





Where Andrew Jackson defeated the British in The War of 1812.



Portrait of the Father of New Orleans
Jean-Baptiste Le Moyne, Sieur de Bienville

 

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1973 Monroe Doctrine
Heraldic Art Medal
so-called half dollar





The Monroe Doctrine was a United States policy of opposing European colonialism in the Americas beginning in 1823. It stated that further efforts by European nations to take control of any independent state in North or South America would be viewed as "the manifestation of an unfriendly disposition toward the United States."
At the same time, the doctrine noted that the U.S. would recognize and not interfere with existing European colonies nor meddle in the internal concerns of European countries.

The Doctrine was issued on December 2, 1823 at a time when nearly all Latin American colonies of Spain and Portugal had achieved, or were at the point of gaining, independence from the Portuguese and Spanish Empires.


President James Monroe first stated the doctrine during his seventh annual State of the Union Address to Congress. The term "Monroe Doctrine" itself was coined in 1850.

By the end of the 19th century, Monroe's declaration was seen as a defining moment in the foreign policy of the United States and one of its longest-standing tenets. It would be invoked by many U.S. statesmen and several U.S. presidents, including Ulysses S. Grant, Theodore Roosevelt (The Roosevelt Corollary), John F. Kennedy, and Ronald Reagan.

The intent and impact of the Monroe Doctrine persisted with only small variations for more than a century. Its stated objective was to free the newly independent colonies of Latin America from European intervention and avoid situations which could make the New World a battleground for the Old World powers, so that the U.S. could exert its own influence undisturbed.

The doctrine asserted that the New World and the Old World were to remain distinctly separate spheres of influence, for they were composed of entirely separate and independent nations.

The Roosevelt Corollary was an addition to the Monroe Doctrine articulated by President Theodore Roosevelt in his State of the Union address in 1904 after the Venezuela Crisis of 1902–03.
The corollary states that the United States will intervene in conflicts between the European countries and Latin American countries to enforce legitimate claims of the European powers, rather than having the Europeans press their claims directly.
Roosevelt tied his policy to the Monroe Doctrine, and it was also consistent with his foreign policy included in his Big Stick Diplomacy.



Roosevelt stated that in keeping with the Monroe Doctrine, the United States was justified in exercising "international police power" to put an end to chronic unrest or wrongdoing in the Western Hemisphere. While the Monroe Doctrine had sought to prevent European intervention, the Roosevelt Corollary was used to justify US intervention throughout the hemisphere.

In 1934, President Franklin D. Roosevelt renounced interventionism and established his Good Neighbor policy for the Western Hemisphere.

 

Very nice medals and write-ups.. Keep them coming.
I really like the Heraldic Art Medal Series. I cant imagine trying to put a full set of these together this day and age.
I only have this one medal which is not really in the series, but still made with the same high standard of craftsmanship that McNamara has become known for.

 

I'm glad you like my posts!
You have one of the tougher ones to find!
There's a few Coin Club issues but not part of the set. Almost all of mine are much easier to find. Very Nice!
This is a collage of all that I have. I'm short about 26 I think counting major varieties. Somebody bought the cancelled dies and makes restrikes & deliberate errors in copper at extremely high prices but they don't interest me.

Haha! I just counted how many are in the collage and there are 39.
I must have a couple missing or I counted a couple duplicates?
(click to enlarge)

 

Very nice set.

https://coins.www.collectors-societ...inningSigSetDetail.aspx?SigSetAwardSetID=5182

 

Great link for checklist! We appreciate that.

 

I only have 2 examples of play money. This one struck me as fairly decent quality and condition. Austria Spiel Mark ca. 1890s

 

How bout some Canada School Money?

I would think that many years ago these were used in Canada, particularly in Quebec Grade Schools for kids to learn how to use money.

I had a collection of 5 of these that were very crisp but found I did not have the $5.00 or $50.00 issues.
Then I found a lot of 6 but they are slightly different. The backs on the $1.00 and $10.00 differ.
However, I did get a $5 and $50 in the lot.

Some have watermarks from the initial lot and perhaps a different stock of paper was used. But I am very happy to have found them all.
The second batch is a little rough but I could not rest until I had at least one of each.

I had the chance to get a few fill in the blanks but the asking price was too high.
I noticed some other slight variations since as well.

click for large image if you wish.

 

For non-ancient collectors, I'm "cross-posting" a Napoleonic medal, the reverse of which (showing a crocodile chained to a palm tree) is directly modeled on the reverse of this dupondius of Augustus showing the heads of Augustus and his general Agrippa on the obverse, minted in 9-3 BCE in Colonia Augusta Nemausus [Nîmes]:



Here's the medal:

France, Directorate, AE Conquest of Upper Egypt, An 7 (1798), Napoleon Bonaparte as Général de l'armée d'Orient (struck ca. 1805-1810 after Napoleon’s coronation as Emperor), Paris Mint. Artist: André Galle, under director Dominique Vivant, Baron Denon. Obv. Bust of Memnon (after the “Colossi of Memnon” in Luxor [ancient Thebes] in Upper Egypt, which actually depict Pharaoh Amenhotep III) or Isis* left, wearing wearing nemes [royal striped headdress] with uraeus [sacred cobra, worn by deities and pharaohs] at forehead, no beard, CONQUÊTE DE LA - HAUTE EGYPTE. around from 7:00, GALLE F. [fecit] beneath truncation, AN VII. below bust / Rev. Crocodile left chained to palm tree behind with wide spreading branches,** GALLE on ground line to right; in exergue, DENON DIREXIT. 35 mm., 20.89 g., 12 h. Laskey IX at p. 18 [Capt. J.C. Laskey, A Description of the Series of Medals Struck at the National Medal Mint by Order of Napoleon Bonaparte (London 1818)]; Millin & Millingen 19 at p. 9 [Aubin Louis Millin de Grandmaison & James Millingen, Medallic History of Napoleon (London 1819)]; Scargill 4 at p. 7 [Ann Mudie Scargill, Medallic History of Napoleon Bonaparte (London 1820)]; Hennin 896 at p. 688 [Michel Hennin, Histoire numismatique de la révolution française . . . depuis l'ouverture des Etats-généraux jusqu'à l'établissement du gouvernement consulaire (Paris 1826)]; Julius 694 at p. 43 [Sammlung Dr. [Paul] Julius, Heidelberg: Französische Revolution Napoleon I. und seine Zeit : Medaillen, Orden und Ehrenzeichen, Münzen (Auktion 11 Jan. 1932, Otto Helbing Nachf., München, Auktions-Katalog 66) (available at https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/auctionlots?AucCoId=514029&AuctionId=534684)] [see David Block, “Books about Napoleonic Medals,” Numismatics International Bulletin, Vol. 19, No. 12 (1985), pp. 365-368 at p. 368, available at https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/522907?page=21: “This sale did not take place; the Julius Collection was not sold until 1959”].*** Purchased from Germania Inferior Numismatics.



*The substantial majority of catalogs to which I have access (i.e., the ones I cited, all of which are available online) identify the bust on the obverse as that of Isis. (If there are any more recent catalogs, please enlighten me; I have only a handful of French Napoleonic medals and never felt the need to investigate.)

However, the Laskey book – the very first catalog of Napoleonic medals, published in 1818, supposedly based on “the French Medal Mint List” (see Block, op. cit. at p. 365) – identifies the bust as “Memnon.” Compare Laskey p. 18 (“a
bust of the antique statue of Memnon. On the top of the head lies a snake uncoiled, erecting his head in the front”) with Millin & Millingen p. 9 (“Head of Isis”); Scargill p. 7 (“on one side, the head of Isis, an Eyptian divinity of the earliest worship in that country, and whose origin is lost in the mist of ages”); Julius (Otto Helbing Nachf.) p. 43 (“Isiskopf links”). Hennin does not appear to identify the obverse bust. All four auction descriptions found for this medal type on ACSearch also identify the obverse bust as Isis, albeit without citation or explanation. In fact, not one of the sources identifying the obverse bust with Isis attempts to explain the basis for that identification, except for the fact that previous sources did so back to Millin & Millingen in 1819.

I would argue that there is no reasonable basis for identifying the obverse bust on this medal as Isis, who had no particular association with Upper Egypt (to the contrary, her worship spread from the Delta in Lower Egypt), and who was certainly not usually portrayed wearing the headdress of a pharaoh or male deity, i.e., the Nemes with Uraeus. Not to mention that there is nothing feminine about the face of the figure portrayed, even though it is admittedly beardless, and French coins and medals of the 18th and 19th centuries were hardly known for being ambiguous in portraying female figures.

By contrast, there is every reason to identify the obverse bust with “Memnon,” specifically, as Laskey recognized, with a famous statue (one of the “Colossi of Memnon”) that was still generally thought at the time to represent Memnon (based on the Greek and Roman identification of the statue as such), and was directly associated with its location in Thebes in Upper Egypt. See the Wikipedia article on the Colossi of Memnon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossi_of_Memnon), explaining that the “Colossi,” although actually constructed in the 14th century BCE to represent the Pharaoh Amenhotep III and stand guard at his mortuary temple, were commonly identified since Greek and Roman times with Memnon: “Memnon was a hero of the Trojan War, a King of Ethiopia who led his armies from Africa into Asia Minor to help defend the beleaguered city but was ultimately slain by Achilles. Memnon (whose name means the Steadfast or Resolute was said to be the son of Eos, the goddess of dawn]. He was associated with [the colossi] . . . because of the reported cry at dawn of the northern statue . . ., which became known as the Colossus of Memnon.”

I believe that it is unlikely to be a coincidence that the engravings that one of the artists accompanying Napoleon’s Egyptian expedition in 1798 did of one of the Colossi of Memnon as it would look if “reconstructed” so strongly resemble the obverse figure on this medal. See the right-hand figure in this detail, showing the statue’s left profile:



See https://www.paralosgallery.com/stock_detail.php?stockid=1976, reproducing the complete engraving (Vol. II Pl. 21) and describing it as follows:

“Charles Louis Fleury Panckoucke, Details of the Southern Colossos of Memnon, Thebes. ‘Details de Colosse du Sud,_Thèbes, Memnonium.’ Paris Impremerie de C.L.F.Pancoucke 1820-1829. Copper engraving showing one of the Colossi of Mnemnon, Thebes from the second volume of the "Antiquities "of the "Description de l'Egypte," 2nd Edition; black & white; verso blank. . . .

The image shows the statue from three sides, and in a reconstructed condition. The statue depicts Amenhotep III (fl. 14th century BC) in a seated position, his hands resting on his knees and his gaze facing eastwards towards the river. . . .

‘Description de l'Egypte, ou, Recueil des observations et des recherches qui ont été faites en Egypte pendant l'expédition de l'armée française.’

When Napoleon Bonaparte invaded Egypt in 1798, he brought with him an entourage of more than 160 scholars and scientists. Known as the French Commission on the Sciences and Arts of Egypt, these experts undertook an extensive survey of the country's archeology, topography, and natural history. For four years more than 150 artists, engineers, linguists, and scientists traveled throughout the country, examining almost every aspect of ancient and contemporary Egypt. They recorded and measured in meticulous detail Egypt's topography, flora and fauna, and its ancient and contemporary architecture. A soldier who was part of the expedition found the famous Rosetta Stone, which the French linguist and scholar Jean-François Champollion (1790-1832) later used to unlock many of the mysteries that long had surrounded the language of ancient Egypt. . . .

In 1802 Napoleon authorized the publication of the commission's findings in a monumental, multi-volume work that included plates, maps, scholarly essays, and a detailed index. Publication of the original Imperial edition began in 1809 and continued to 1822, sold by subscription.

It proved so popular that a second edition was published under the post-Napoleonic Bourbon Restoration. The ‘Royal edition’ published in Paris by C.L.F. Panckoucke from 1820-1830.”

It seems entirely possible that the designers of this medal had access to engravings or prints of the Colossi of Memnon similar or identical to those published a few years later in the first edition of the Napoleonic commission’s findings. As Laskey may have had when he wrote his book published in 1818, identifying the obverse figure with the statue of Memnon.

The absence of a false beard from the medal, by contrast to the engraving, is not enough to dilute the resemblance, or to support an identification with Isis absent any other basis for such an identification that I know of. Especially given that the very next engraving of one of the Colossi in the publication of Napoleon’s expedition, this one in right profile (Thèbes. Memnonium. / Détails de la Statue Colossalle de Memnon. A(ntiquités). Vol. II. Pl. 22), shows no beard:



See https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=30861960269&cm_mmc=ggl-_-COM_Shopp_Rare-_-product_id=bi: 30861960269-_-keyword=&gclid=Cj0KCQjwgYSTBhDKARIsAB8KukvMJQYAViDHKiBdxes5-L_iqTzC86tAQMKvdX4jtgNmdWcKCr8VcuAaAuFgEALw_wcB (“Original uncoloured copper engraving (plate mark 45 x 62 cm, overall sheet size 53.5 x 69.5 cm) by Cain after the drawing by Jollois and Devilliers from volume 2 of the Description de l'Égypte (2nd edition). . . . The Description de l'Égypte was the first scientific survey of all Egypt, from its antiquities to its agriculture including language, music, costume, and natural history, and it concludes with a detailed and accurate map of the region. The numerous plates depicting the antiquities provide a comprehensive record of the richness of ancient Egyptian culture. At the time of publication, the Description de l'Égypte was the largest printed work ever produced.”)

If anyone believes that the obverse bust actually does depict Isis, please let me know!


**Although none of the auction descriptions of this medal found on ACSearch make note of the resemblance, it has long been generally accepted that the reverse design was modeled on the chained crocodile depicted on the reverse of the “COL NEM” dupondius of Augustus and Agrippa (RIC I 158). See Millin & Millingen at p. 9 (“type copied from the ancient coins of Nismes, with the heads of Augustus and Agrippa”); Scargill at p. 7 (“This type is imitated from a medal struck at Nismes, when the Roman Legions, came to occupy that province after the conquest of Egypt.”)


*** N.B. This medal is not in Bramsen [Ludvig Ernst Bramsen, Médaillier Napoléon le Grand, ou, Description des médailles, clichés, repoussés, et médailles-décorations relatives aux affaires de la France pendant le consulat et l'empire, Vols I-III (Copenhagen 1904-1913), available at Newman Numismatic Portal], which begins its coverage in 1799 with the fall of the Directory and the beginning of the Consulate, i.e., immediately after Hennin's coverage ends.

 

Lovely presentation, Donna.

 

You said it!
Beautiful medal.

 

Minnesota U&I Coin Club: Brass, M/A, 21.8grams, 40mm

 

Arrived today

 

1949 Minnesota Territory Centennial.
By: Whitehead & Hoag. 32mm, 10.89g.
Just got this two days ago.

 

Wow we are on page 611, time to celebrate

 

Got this one within the past week.

 

Regarding my Napoleonic "Conquest of Upper Egypt Medal" posted above at https://www.cointalk.com/threads/lets-see-your-exonumia.203005/page-611#post-8311672, a couple of additions/revisions to the footnotes, for the record, after I did some more research:

1. A new footnote concerning the actual year when the medal was struck, even though it bears the date "An 7" (1798):

See Richard A. Todd, Napoleon’s Medals: Victory to the Arts (The History Press, UK, 2009) at p. 22, pointing out that “[t]hough dated 1798, the medal was not struck until 1806.” (And could not possibly have been struck contemporaneously, given the presence of the DENON DIREXIT legend: Denon was appointed Director of the Mint only in September of 1803; see id. p. 15.) As the author further explains at pp. 78-79 of his book, the Egyptian Campaign “produced no immediate medallions except in England. Bonaparte was completely cut off from his European base. The English, on the other hand, had both the means and the incentive to produce a number of medals celebrating their victory. It is surprising that even after Bonaparte’s return to France and consolidation of power as first Consul, and given his enthusiasm for what he regarded as the great achievement of his Egyptian conquests, the Egyptian medals were so long in coming. Of course the recovery of northern Italy was Bonaparte’s first concern, and then there were the medals to celebrate the victory at Marengo. The delay in producing the Egyptian medals was not due to lack of interest on Napoleon’s part, however. [Citing his letter dated 6 September 1800 ordering six medals for the Egyptian campaign, including one for the conquest of Upper Egypt, and another letter dated 9 Jan. 1801 asking for a report on the medals that had been requested.] The three Egyptian medals eventually produced were the Conquest of Upper Egypt (1806), the Conquest of Egypt (1808), and the Conquest of Lower Egypt (1810)” (with a reverse showing the Pyramids).

See also the chapter by the late David Block (1926-2002) entitled “The Egyptian Campaign,” in his now-defunct online “Medallic History of Napoleon” (still available on the Internet Archive at https://web.archive.org/web/20120204070433/http://fortiter.napoleonicmedals.org/medals/index.html), explaining that the Napoleonic medals on the subject of Egypt were “not designed and struck until a few years after that campaign, when the medal mint was reestablished and Vivant Denon was appointed its director. A law had been created in France under the monarchy that made medal-making a state monopoly. Individuals could prepare dies but the striking had to be done at a government mint. This law, in abeyance during the revolution, was enforced again when Napoleon was ruling France.”

2. To be added to the footnote concerning the identification of the obverse bust as representing the statue of the Colossus of Memnon (actually Pharaoh Amenhotep III), rather than the traditional identification as Isis:

Although auction houses and dealers have continued almost uniformly to identify the obverse bust as Isis, at least two authorities in this century have rejected that identification (although neither specifically identified the bust as Memnon/Amenhotep III; see [discussion in existing footnote]). First, the late David Block, a well-known collector of Napoleonic medals who used the name “fortiter” on his now-defunct website (still accessible on the Internet Archive at https://web.archive.org/web/20111030192917/http://fortiter.napoleonicmedals.org/medals/history/egypt.htm), described the obverse as follows: “The head of an Egyptian pharaoh, facing left. (In all the older books this is called Isis, but in Egyptian iconography Isis wears cow's horns and a lunar disc on her head, while here we see the uraeus crown of upper Egypt.)” Second, at p. 79 of his 2009 book Napoleon’s Medals, Richard A. Todd states that “[t]he medal for the conquest of Upper Egypt has the head of a Pharaoh, for years misidentified as Isis.”

3. I have added the final sentence of the following (in boldface) to the same footnote, after the comparison showing the similarity between the obverse bust on this medal and the engravings of the "Colossus of Memnon" by the artists accompanying Napoleon's Egyptian expedition:

It seems entirely possible that the designers of this medal had access to engravings or prints of the Colossi of Memnon similar or identical to those published a few years later in the first edition of the Napoleonic commission’s findings. (As Laskey may have had when he wrote his book published in 1818, identifying the obverse figure with the statue of Memnon.) Indeed, Baron Denon, who was the Director of the Mint when this medal was issued and was named on the medal ("DENON DIREXIT"), was himself one of the scholars, artists, and scientists who accompanied Napoleon’s expedition to Egypt (see Todd p. 34).

 

1935 California Pacific International Exposition Medal
25mm Bronze





Appears to be bronze, although I have not found out much about the specifics on this one yet. There are both silvered bronze and non silvered bronze or brass versions.

I have been to Balboa Park a number of times while stationed in Mirimar CA with the US Navy in the mid 70's. I went to Sea World and to the beaches around San Diego on my free time.
I regret that I did not go to the various museums and historical buildings but I do remember a little seeing them from the outside.
I also remember attending a free rock concert or two at The Starlight Bowl, but don't remember much about that.


The Starlight Bowl is an amphitheater located in Balboa Park in San Diego, California. It was constructed for the 1935-1936 California Pacific International Exposition and seats 4,300. It was originally named the Ford Bowl because the automobile manufacturer sponsored outdoor concerts at the venue during the exposition by the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, the San Francisco Symphony, and other performers which originally was next to the Ford Motor Exhibit

A small collage of then and now below.


This goes along nicely with the Gold Gulch Nuggets below that I'll post here.

1935 San Diego Exposition
La Fortuna
400 Chips Coupon



I don't think it is a coincidence that the denomination is 400 chips at the Exposition held in San Diego in 1935.
It celebrated the 400th anniversary of Coronado's discovery of the Pacific Southwest.
Very similar to the Gold Gulch Nugget depression script or obsolete currency, as they are sometimes categorized, this was probably used in the same attraction built to portray a mining town in the gold rush days of 1849.
Probably a cantina existed by the name of La Fortuna. Information is somewhat scarce on what all went on in the Village of Gold Gulch at America's Exposition in San Diego.

I have only found a denomination of 400 chips for this particular type note and don't think there are others.
The high serial number seems to be deceiving as all those I have seen are near the number on mine in the 24000 area. This one is the best condition example I have found by far.

There is another set of four similar blue back notes that I have not yet collected.
They are Jardin de Plaisir Souvenirs in denominations of One, Five, Ten and Twenty Souvenirs. I don't have any yet.
I do believe that Jardin de Plaisir translates to Garden of Enjoyment.

1935 San Diego
One, Five and Ten Nuggets
Gold Gulch Coupons

(Actually, they all are the same color)






Gold Gulch was the largest funfair concession built for visitors at the California Pacific International Exposition, a World's Fair that was open from 1935 to 1936, in San Diego, Southern California, United States. Gold Gulch was a section celebrating the California Gold Rush and the American Old West.



Gold Gulch, located within the World's Fairgrounds in Balboa Park, was a 21-acre Old West mining town-ghost town re-creation for fairgoers to experience the atmosphere of a mining boomtown.
It was described in the Exposition Guide Book as "a moviefied" version of riproaring '49 days.
Gold Gulch occupied the canyon between the 'Casa de Balboa' and 'Pepper Grove,' southeast of the Spreckles Organ Pavilion.
It was composed of a dance hall and a music hall, rustic unpainted shacks, a brick bank with iron-barred windows, a "Chinese restaurant and laundry," and a Hanging tree with 'dummy' hanging.
Barkers lured visitors to a "shooting gallery" where a visiting "sharpshooter" hitting the bull's eye put all the lights out in the Gulch.
An "Indian Village" was nearby, with trading posts and events.

Gold Gulch charged no admission, but its shops and attractions did. "One could have coffee in a tin cup, beer 'by the scupper,' badges and rings made from horseshoe nails by the blacksmith, and have a photograph taken with fake beard, six shooter gun prop, a ten gallon cowboy hat on a mine-pack burro."

I would imagine that these coupons were purchased and used in the attractions within the Gold Gulch funfair instead of using cash in the shops and attractions.

 

1905 Lewis & Clark Exposition
Portland Oregon
US Cream Separator medal.





The US Cream Separator was made by Farm Machine Co. Bellows Falls, Vermont.
I have seen they won the same Gold Medal award on a medal at Buffalo's Pan American Exposition in 1901. All usually found holed and looped like mine is here.



Although the true motivation for the fair came from an economic and business standpoint, it was still crucial to have a theme for publicity and décor.
The theme for the Portland fair came from the advice of the Oregon Historical Society.
They suggested that the centennial anniversary of the Lewis and Clark Expedition's stay in Oregon would be a perfect event to commemorate.
As the directors wanted to include their dreams of economic growth as well.
Seeing the potential benefits of the fair's success, the state legislature began planning appropriations for the fair with little interest in the historical heroes and their 2,000-mile trek.

The Lewis and Clark Exposition, and officially known as the Lewis and Clark Centennial and American Pacific Exposition and Oriental Fair, was a worldwide exposition held in Portland, Oregon. While not officially considered a World's Fair by the Bureau of International Expositions, it is often informally described as such; the exposition attracted both exhibits and visitors from around the world. During the exposition's four-month run, it attracted over 1.6 million visitors, and featured exhibits from 21 countries. Portland grew from 161,000 to 270,000 residents between 1905 and 1910, a spurt that has been attributed to the exposition.

The majority of the buildings were in the style of the Spanish Renaissance and decorated with architectural flourishes such as domes, cupolas, arched doorways and red-colored roofs. The buildings, not intended to be permanent, were largely constructed of plaster over wooden frames, which resulted in rather low construction costs (79 cents per foot).
The major exception to this was the Forestry Building, a log cabin which was said to be the world's largest. It was constructed of 54 long unhewn logs, and contained exhibits of local forestry products, wildlife, and Native American photographs.
The building was 206 feet long, 102 feet wide, and 72 feet high, and cost nearly $30,000.
The building stood until destroyed by fire in 1964.



Another great site I've found, this is two pages of great images and short descriptive text.

http://pdxhistory.com/html/lewis___clark_1.html

Tickets are not easy to find when compared to other exposition and World Fairs.

1905 Lewis and Clark Exposition
Ticket for Portland Day ser 43621





Nice Front, back shows evidence of being adhered to a scrapbook page. The condition of the front is very nice and makes the reverse very forgivable since they are all blank anyway. This one took a couple years to find me.