Was There a Connection Between Peter Rosa and the "Bay Area" Counterfeits?

Researching my TPG authenticated fake 1723 Rosa Americana Penny lead me to Peter Rosa's "die linked" replicas and to his nephew/ apprentice Charles Doyle's current offerings.

In his listings for sale is this "1852 large cent", which I purchased for continued research.



I posted in one of my FB Groups and was asked if it was one of the "Bay Area" counterfeits; my 1st impression was NO, but before I answered I started down a new research path...

I have always had an interest in "BAC's" but had little information until I began to dig in.

Going back through some older Early American Copper's Penny-Wise I found a couple of references there.

Gene Anderson's March 2004 article discussed these and created the list of known examples.


In it he also references John Wright's 1982 article on a bad 1852 large cent where John describes the issues with it.



And comparing his image and description to the one I just added to my collection one can see they appear to be "struck from the same dies".



I am not sure of any connection between Rosa and these counterfeits- interested in any information that may shed some light on this!

More info on Peter Rosa on Charles Doyle's site @ https://coinreplicas.com/about/peter-rosa-biography/

 

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Interesting question.

 

The time frame seems similar @CaptHenway ; in Gene Anderson's PW article he notes a report of an east coast dealer receiving 2 from a gentleman in New York in 1962 (a Mr. Louis Werner).

 

Nice information. Thanks for the post.

 

The two photos don't look to be of the same coin, to me. I see lots of differences.

Am I missing something?

 

They are not the same coin but show common pick-up points as noted for the counterfeit in my post. The "coin" on the left is the BAC and was die struck, the example on the right a cast replica currently being sold.

 

Thanks for the clarification Jack. I thought you were saying they were struck from the same die, obviously they are not.
My mistake and my apologies.

 

Sorry for any confusion @Hookman .

 

Received some images of the BAC 1852 and the reverse comparison to my "Rosa":

 

I never suspected one, but then I never considered the possibility.