Chinese counterfeiter on ebay

Did anyone see this entry in Coin World? This Chinese website claims to sell on Ebay and will sell coins directly to you "without Replica or Copy marks on the coins"! Here's the URL http://jinghuashei.com/. He also says in the company profile (and I copied this directly from the site):
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I will go on make more kinds of new coins. Please pay attention to my EBAY and website!My EBAY account feedback is very high. You can check my feedback. I am the reliable cooperator. You can buy the coins from me here directly.Please give me a detailed order list and make sure you need them. I could discount you if you need lots of my coins.
My email address is: jinghuashei@yahoo.com.cn
PAYPAL address is: jinghuashei@yahoo.com.cn
Hope we could have a good cooperation!
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Why would Ebay and Paypal let him list with them?

 

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Did you understand the commentary?

 

If you're referring to Mike Marshall's commentary - yes I did.

 

Start yelling then!!!!!!encil:encil:hya:

 

I had hoped to get the people on the Forum yelling with me................

 

Hm...I think that those coins are fake

 

Though I must say the 16-D merc looks fake the numbers are off and 1879 CC morgan the cc is way to big so thats good, at least they are bad fakes; however, I could still see it selling on eBay

 

eBay is bad enough listing this guy - but who is contacting the Fed's? Maybe they are tracking everyone who goes to his site... Interesting!!

 

The commentary challenges America Numismatists to do something about the Counterfeit American coins coming from China.

 

Here is the Text of the commentary.


It is with great interest and fascination that I surf from numismatic Web site to Web site watching the constant debates about the Chinese counterfeits and eBay!
Having been involved in Canada with the actual battle with eBay about counterfeit/replica coins, I find it interesting that people will howl on Web sites about the counterfeit issue, scream for eBay heads for allowing the sale of the counterfeits, and that lynch mobs which quickly appear when a seller is thought to be “knowingly selling fakes.”
The one question I always ask is: “Have you done anything about it?”
Here are some responses:
“Yes, I reported it to eBay.”
“It is not my job to police that site.”
“Why bother, nothing will be done.”
My thoughts on all three answers: WRONG!
I watch people get fleeced everyday with the counterfeit U.S. coins which are being made in China. I am astounded that as “Americans” you (the American collecting public) allow this to go on.
It took almost two years of kicking and screaming to get authorities here in Canada to listen. However, I do not see an individual or group in the United States leading the fight.
I talk with collectors from south of the border constantly. The main response when challenged is: “The authorities have bigger fish to fry” or “They are not interested!”
Well, my response to that is: “I did not realize that the U.S.A. was the only country whose ‘authorities’ are busy with ‘other bigger fish.’”
I am going to give you a push in the right direction.
Here is a Web site. http://jinghuashei.com/ Yes, it belongs to one of the factories in China that counterfeits U.S. coins.
Read it closely. See anything there that gets your attention? How about, “I will provide coins with or with out ‘Copy’”?
OK, the United States’ Hobby Protection Act says that is counterfeiting.
Next, how about if the purchase of one of these counterfeit coins is conducted using Paypal? He states at his Web site that he accepts Paypal and provides instructions encouraging buyers to use it.
OK, he is counterfeiting. If Paypal is used to facilitate the transaction, then is not Paypal laundering money for a counterfeiter?
Wake up people. Look at the ammunition this individual gives you on his own Web site. He is breaking U.S. laws. Paypal and eBay are American companies. Need a map?
Get on a soap box other than numismatic Web sites. Surely there is someone who will fight for the numismatic heritage of the United States of America.
Maybe after the Olympics, I will attempt to get Steven Colbert (The Colbert Report) involved. He wouldn’t let anyone hurt the American heritage.
Every individual has an agenda. Numismatics is a hobby for most, a livelihood for some. If new entrants into the hobby get burned by a counterfeit, or the paranoia counterfeits create turns new collectors off and they leave in significant numbers, the hobby will die.
Think about it. It is time to act.
................................................................. MIKE MARSHALL, a collector from Ontario, Canada, led a two-year investigation documenting 46 cases of counterfeit Canadian coins being sold on eBay.ca. He turned over his information to the Royal Canadian Mounted Police who used it to convince eBay’s administrators in July 2009 to remove all auction listings for “replica” Canadian coins and notes.

 

Wow. Powerful stuff. Anyone know anyone at the FBI?

 

I think we need to get together and start counterfeiting Chinese coins of the modern era (illegal in China) and saturate their economy with them. Fight fire with fire.
Guy~

 

You could try contacting your local (nearest major city) FBI field office and tell them you have a solid lead on a counterfeiter (sp?). I wasn't aware there was a specific law protecting the hobby, but certainly any US coinage/currency, whether its new or 200 years old, is protected by our counterfeiting laws.

 

The laws are so weak it is ridiculous. Beside that, they have no authority in China even to regulate a US company.

 

rlm....why not go after Ebay and paypal.....shut the faucet off....then clean up the mess so to speak?

 

It seems that truth in advertising needs to be more strictly enforced. It should not be incumbent on the buyer to ask countless questions about the authenticity of a coin. If someone is advertising an item that has an established presence ( being collected , traded , graded & auctioned for more than 50 years ) in a specific field such as numismatics , then they need to be able to deliver. If the seller cannot undisputably verify the authenticity of coin , THEY SHOULD HAVE TO DISCLOSE THAT THEY DO NOT KNOW IF IT IS authentic. In other-words , the seller may not post an advertisement for a "1895 Morgan Dollar" unless they know it to be genuine. By just letting sellers get away with stating "raw" or "un-certified" should no longer be acceptable.

No business that has it's headquarters based in and registered in the United States of America , should be allowed to enable the sales of fake , imitation nor replica "US currency" that has not been clearly label as such. This smacks of authorize counterfeiting & just because they are a global business is no excuse for helping to undermine the legitimacy of the currency of the USA ( such as it is ).

We as buyers need to limit our purchases to those seller that make full disclosures & agree to provide the buyer with full compensation for all costs of a sale including shipping , handling & insurance , if it turns out they were incorrect.

At this point it seems like the best investment one can make is 40 acres & a mule.

 

For doing what? You and any company doing business in China is bound by Chinese law for that business. USA has no (or virtually no) say about anything you, PayPal, or eBay does in China. If we told China what companies could do in China, why could they not tell us what Chinese companies do in USA? Then Japanese cars would be made to Japanese regulations and not American. Does not work that way. PERIOD.

eBay has regulations against listing illegal coins and they enforce them. I have no idea what else they can do except enforce the rules when there is a violation.

 

Read my previous post. And, yes, most countries have copyright and counterfeiting laws. The problem is that China is not among the "most of the countries". They have no such laws. That is the crux of the problem. And coins is not the only problem. Knock-off fashions, music CD, movies, etc. actually have a bigger problem than coins.

 

US currency is a whole separate thing from trains , planes & automobiles.
I am not suggesting trying to regulate other countries. I do suggest that American companies doing business in the USA be held to a higher standard of aggressively enforcing the no counterfeit US coin & US banknote rules. Or maybe just not allow any currency be traded in a unregulated way ?

 

Our "higher standard" may will be their lower standard. And again, they then want their "higher standards" enforced in the USA. It will not work. The key to this is to get China to agree to the copyright/counterfeiting laws like the rest of the world. That way they can enforce their own laws.