1895 S Morgan, is it genuine?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Dynoking, Mar 17, 2022.

  1. Dynoking

    Dynoking Well-Known Member

    Finding a rare coin in the raw is the first red flag and makes me question the coin. Looking closely at this one the heavy cuts on the obverse and the heavy scratches on the reverse do not fit the seemingly light circulation wear. The sharp contrast of the wear on the birds breast vs the neck look un-natural to me. The stars flanking "DOLLAR" to same year coins shown in PCGS price guide are different though I am unfamiliar with and have not compared die marriages. Thoughts?
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  3. Martha Lynn

    Martha Lynn Well-Known Member

    The photo icons won't open up on my end. They have a large X over them. Could be something on my cornputer.....martha
     
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  4. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    I see 2 X's, No Pics. :(
     
  5. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    No pics. The images won’t load.
     
  6. derkerlegand

    derkerlegand Well-Known Member

    X's here as well.

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  7. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I see X's like everyone else, but the images appear inline when I hit Reply. I can't download them and re-upload them from this machine, but I'll try to remember to try it later from my own laptop.
     
  8. Dynoking

    Dynoking Well-Known Member

    Lets try it another way. Thanks for your patience.

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  9. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Wellllll......1895 was a good year. Other than that, I would not use it to memorialize the year.
     
  10. ifthevamzarockin

    ifthevamzarockin Well-Known Member

  11. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

    VAM-1B - genuine.
     
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  12. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    It appears to be genuine from quick inspection. My question is, why is a key date like that not slabbed a long time ago? That might make me apprehensive. Even given the hairlines that probably would make it a details coin, it should be authenticated, given its value.
     
  13. Dynoking

    Dynoking Well-Known Member

    Yes! Strike one! We think alike.
     
  14. Dynoking

    Dynoking Well-Known Member

    Ok the coin displays die markers of VAM 1B, a genuine die marriage. Do you think that's enough clear this coin?
    I'm still unsure because of the damage vs. wear. Any comment on the birds breast and neck? Also an expensive coin in the raw?
     
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  15. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Genuine, but cleaned and not gently. The 1895-S is not rare in the circulated grades. This sort of a filler.
     
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  16. ifthevamzarockin

    ifthevamzarockin Well-Known Member

    "My question is, why is a key date like that not slabbed a long time ago?"

    Because the coin is worth about the same in a details holder as it is raw.
    The coin may sell a little faster because of buyer confidence.
    If the coin was mine I would not spend the money for grading.
    I can see the coin is genuine and don't need to pay a grading company to tell me that.
    I could also take good enough photos and link the Vam page to show a buyer.
     
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  17. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Ok, I will buy that. Although, I think that a lot of Morgan collectors like their better dates certified. Not a big deal, because as you said, it is a coin that won’t straight grade anyway.
     
  18. Dynoking

    Dynoking Well-Known Member

    Your reply made me think of ANACS. Genuine, details. Lower grading cost, buyer confidence.
     
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  19. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    And generally well-respected variety attribution, right?
     
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  20. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Good idea. ANACS is great for nice details coins that require attribution. They are also cheaper, and not as backed up in terms of delays in returning submissions. Bingo! A great solution.
     
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  21. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    Man it hurts my heart when seasoned collectors can no longer trust a raw coin.... Sadly, that is that state of our hobby. I am not a Morgan expert but I see no immediate red flags other than a key date not being slabbed.
     
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