1914-D --Altered 44-D Lincoln Cent Ebay Listing.

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  1. Bones-65

    Bones-65 Well-Known Member

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  3. Martha Lynn

    Martha Lynn Well-Known Member

    Below the bust shoulder if it were a "44, I would expect to see remnants of vdb . The pic is too dark to see. The 1909's had those initials on the reverse but it was thought in bad taste so they removed them. They stayed gone till 1918 when they were relocated to the obverse lower bust. Beyond that dunno.
     
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  4. ifthevamzarockin

    ifthevamzarockin Well-Known Member

    The space between the 9 & 1 is too far apart.
     
  5. Bones-65

    Bones-65 Well-Known Member

    Whenever I find these altered 44-D's I have yet to see the designer's initials mainly due to lack of detail of the images.
    Also, the whoever that does the alteration will sometimes remove (tool) the VDB.
    These altered 44-D's with the wide gap between the 9 and the altered 1 leaves the coin with the appearance (most all of them) that where the gap is the mint mark once was and it dropped lose.
    The other clue is the location of the mint mark, its incorrect for the known locations of the 14-D.
    #1 (top left) location below is the nearest as far as left and right, but its WAY to low.

    14DMint Mark Location.jpg
     
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2022
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  6. Martha Lynn

    Martha Lynn Well-Known Member

    Indeed you are sir. I wasn't giving it an opinion as to whether legit or not.. Nor did I click on the links. My first thought was does it have the vdb I wonder, as if it were my coin. If it did have them on the lower bust I would know right off it must be an altered "44. That could have settled it for me then and there. If they were not there then further analysis would be required.
     
  7. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    Another clue is the length of the second "1". It is much longer than the first 1 and the same length as the 4's I.
     
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  8. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    It has one bid so far.
     
  9. Treashunt

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  10. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Date looks faked. Space between the 9 and the one looks too wide. Is it an altered 44 D? My expertise in Copper coins is, admittedly, minimal. The thing that stands out to me is the wide span between the 19, and the 14. Also, it looks like there is a possible remnant of the serif of a “4” on the right hand side, adjacent to the 4.

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  11. Dean 295

    Dean 295 D.O.M.

    Don't forget that the 14-D on a genuine coin has no V.D.B. on the fake you have the initials unless they took them off then look for a disturbance in that area.
     
  12. Dynoking

    Dynoking Well-Known Member

    Reported, seller contacted.
    "This coin is a 1944 altered to look like a 1914. It is a fake. Listing reported. Please remove listing and stop altered fake coins."
     
  13. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Soon, the value of the 1944 cents will go up because crooks are using them up trying to make a 1914.
     
  14. Martha Lynn

    Martha Lynn Well-Known Member

    ooooh man ! You're the best Mountain . You should sell vehicles or real estate. You would make a fortune !
     
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  15. Bones-65

    Bones-65 Well-Known Member

    There is another little detail that sometimes is more clear (defined) and that is the width of the opening inside the mint mark, typically the center opening of the D on the 14-D is more narrow vs a more open and wider D on the 44-D.
    Yep! the coin in the OP (original post) is for sure an altered 44-D.
    Thanks for your you time, & your posting!
     
  16. Bones-65

    Bones-65 Well-Known Member

    Reminds me of the old little jingle,
    "All I Want For Christmas Is My Two Front Teeth"
     
  17. Bones-65

    Bones-65 Well-Known Member

    You know what's spooky?
    Its been 5 days and I've not seen a new listing for a phony SVDB (or one that I could pick out) so, this weekend I'm expecting a WAVE of them and probably 14-D's as well.
     
  18. Dynoking

    Dynoking Well-Known Member

    Sellers responce;
    New message from: vodicka123 (426[​IMG])
    Sorry I didn’t know it was fake….will remove

    My response;
    Thank you, that's good business. Peace!

    Listing has been removed. Nice job CT'ers!
     
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  19. Bones-65

    Bones-65 Well-Known Member

    Sweet!
     
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  20. schnickelfritz48

    schnickelfritz48 Well-Known Member

    I think to any collector this is an obvious fake. the distance between the 19 and the 14 is so suspicious and un-natural that it immediately sends up a red flag. Then the VDB issue ices the cake, so to speak.
     
  21. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    I dare someone fake my birth year backward, forward no problem. Thanks for the post @Bones-65 job well done!
     
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