Counterfeit coin in a counterfeit PCGS holder

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  1. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    eBay item 275202326044 is a counterfeit coin in a counterfeit PCGS holder.
     
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  3. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    He's got a lot of coins up. Do you suppose this one slipped by him, or have you contacted him already?

    The PCGS app said the barcode wasn't valid, and the reverse hologram doesn't look very convincing, but I'm out of my depth for diagnosing the coin itself.
     
  4. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    Just the fact that he is trying to sell a $2,700 coin with such CRAPPY pictures is worrisome.

    I mean...seriousley....check out their quality. No PCGS front label showing, either.
     
  5. potty dollar 1878

    potty dollar 1878 Well-Known Member

    His name says it all!!!it doesn't make any cents.
     
  6. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Interesting; pretty decent slab as the barcode appears to read correctly.

    bar code reading-1.jpg
     
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  7. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    I thought it was only 3 pics and didn't see the barcode front photo. Thanks !
     
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  8. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Interesting is right. I’ve had misgivings about my post for the past few hours, as I hastily condemned the coin based only on its inability to verify on the PCGS website. Looking back on it, the coin itself looks perfectly fine to me.

    I will say though, that the reverse side of the holder still doesn’t look exactly right to me when compared against holder type 11, which this holder looks most like. Also, it may just be me, but the font of the smaller characters on the label looks too bold compared to same on the PCGS reference example.

    I’m probably wrong, and will let the seller, eBay and PCGS know as much. PCGS should make the determination . . . Not me.
     
  9. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    You would think for a coin costing almost $3,000 that the pictures would be at least non-blurry. That's what really set off my Spidey-Sense. :D
     
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  10. ifthevamzarockin

    ifthevamzarockin Well-Known Member

    The rear hologram/label looks off.
    My first thought when I saw it was counterfeit.

    The front label and fonts look correct.

    I have spent a little time looking at this since you posted it and I'm not seeing a counterfeit coin. It looks weak struck but genuine.
    I looked online to try to find another image of the coin and didn't come up with anything. Maybe someone else can find it.
     
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  11. ifthevamzarockin

    ifthevamzarockin Well-Known Member

    It looks like it could be a 4.2 slab and the rear label could have some junk on it or may have been slightly damaged over time.
    I think the coin & slab are genuine.
    There is also a footnote that this was a transitional slab made for a few months.

    https://www.pcgs.com/holdermuseum/Gen4.2
     
  12. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Bad photos are an instant turnoff. If you are trying to sell a $2,700 coin, you need a quality camera and decent photos.

    Instant pass. It’s better to miss one bargain because of bad pictures than get stuck with 10 pieces of junk. The odds are not with you.
     
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  13. GoldFinger1969

    GoldFinger1969 Well-Known Member

    I think if he just angled them correctly using a smartphone they'd be more than good enough. They just don't look crystal clear.

    There is a photo of the front PCGS label, on that I was wrong.
     
  14. Vertigo

    Vertigo Did someone say bust?

    I don't see what the problem is? He's selling it for less than pcgs value? Maybe needs quick cash? Screenshot_20220311-194722_One UI Home.jpg
     
  15. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    As stated above there was a concern that the cert would not pull up, but unfortunately that does happen on some of the older PCGS coins. it's just one of the steps I always take when reviewing a certed example I am interested in.
     
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