Gold Coin on the Bay!! Did Someone Copper Enamel On It??

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by fretboard, Feb 13, 2022.

  1. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    You never know what you're gonna see on ebay so when I ran across this Gold Indian I thought, it'll bring spot but not much more. What do you think, how much will this gold coin sell for? All guesses welcome! :) And how hard will it be to take that copper enameling off of it? :kiss: I mean you're gonna need a kiln to take it off for sure! :smuggrin: Anyone here bidding on it??! :D

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/353908707547?hash=item52669a50db:g:ixgAAOSw6WRiCE8S

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  3. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Oh the humanity.........how could they?
     
  4. JPD3

    JPD3 Well-Known Member

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  5. Marsden

    Marsden Well-Known Member

    NT or AT? You be the judge.
     
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  6. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    That is an enamelled coin at one time I had a matched pair that were cufflinks. I also had an entire collection of enamells.
    These were done in the mid 1800's until the early 1900's.
    The two gold ones I had both had 8 colors of the enamel. The more colors the higher the value,if done extremely well. There a huge demand in the UK as well European countries for these.
    The last $5 one I sold went for over $600 and gold wasn't anywhere near todays quotes. Around $1000 @ oz.
    It sold to a Disney's artist as it was mailed to Disneyland Ca.

    What so funny is I just purchased an enamelled coin last night...at an unbelievable amount of $29 !
    As the same type sells in Eurpoe for over 29 euros and at least 15 euros to ship.
    I expect to double my money plus on the specimen, that I will post on arrival.
     
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  7. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Here were some specimens I had in my collection... 005.jpg 003.jpg 015.jpg 009.jpg 007.jpg 024.jpg

    Believe it or not these sold upwards of 3 to $500 each if not more.
     
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  8. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    s-l64.jpg paid $29 for this shilling.it should go fo double that amount.
     
  9. Tall Paul

    Tall Paul Supporter! Supporter

    Paddy54's coins show an incredibly high level of skill on the part of the enamelist. The shading on the eagles wings of the Morgan Dollar show that it was an artist who created that piece. While I am not a fan of enameling coins, I can certainly appreciate the quality of artisianship on the coins that Paddy54 has shared with us.
     
  10. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Correct the coin is damaged to creating these gems....but again these were very much in demand as durring the 1800's-early 1900's. I do believe that the price points has gone down somewhat, due to less demand . The older collector passing on and the appreciation of the art has dwindled.
    I put these up there with love tokens as love tokens being the every day man choice to show their inventions, and enemelled coins as the upper classes example of the same.
    These were not cheap like a love token could be... the more colors of enemel the higher the demand,and cost more.
     
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  11. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

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    Wow the book on enamel coins has gone up £89 for a used copy...mine is signed ...
     
  12. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    DSCN4322-1.jpg here is 1 of the matched pair I owned.
     
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  13. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Coming to a thrift store (soon) near you....... devil.gif
     
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  14. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Artistic perhaps but I would rather have mine without color and original. Interesting, thanks for sharing.
     
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  15. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I've bid at least once on a gold coin enameled like that. Don't remember if it was a quarter-eagle, half-eagle, or eagle. Several other people wanted it more than I did, which was fine. I would've probably unpacked it straight into acetone, and it's better if it went to someone who actually wanted the color.

    Now, having said that, I'm staring really hard at the mint-mark area on the pictured half-eagle...
     
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  17. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    What one needs to remember is the time peroid as well as like I stated before love tokens,and enamelled coins were very much in vogue....a dime with a pair of lovers initials intertwine on the surface ,was as meaningful as a trip to Kay Jeweler today for a gife as such.
     
  18. Tall Paul

    Tall Paul Supporter! Supporter

    The enamel on these coins is fused glass so acetone would not work, however, if the piece is covered with enamel paint acetone would work just fine.
     
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  19. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    As strictly an art piece, I'm sure many find it beautiful. As a coin . . . well, it's no longer a collectible coin to most.
     
  20. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Correct...and they still make them today ,not like the 1800's...the old way was an elaborate art of placing the and baking the glass. Today they use just 1 color mostly to cover the surface area,and a clear glass over to add depth and protection.
    But the ones above are all 1800/1900 's mostly done in the UK.
     
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  21. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Hmm, wonder how coin gold holds up to hydrofluoric acid... nah.
     
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