Trying to get the eyeball for it

once again i am a newbie. Hello All! So, in my coin roll hunting I am trying to get the logistics of machine doubling vs. doubled die, RPM vs. post mint damage etc. So, if I could get yall to grade me it would be extremely helpful in this learning process.

So, machine doubling happens in the striking process? Whereas doubled die is in the actual die itself? When making the die-- it got moved thus creating another impression? and as far as the visual goes: doubled die will cause an image to increase in size? Whereas the MD will cause the image to be less? Also, could you say that DD are sharper in definition wholly? looking like an image stamped over another, instead of a vibration causing the planchet to jump? Do I have this about right?

Now, from a coin going from my kitchen table to a valid picture displayed on this forum has been an ordeal in itself. My patience is about tried with this stupid laptop, Google suggestions, truly not free sites and apps, and downloading programs. LOL. Yes, go ahead and laugh at my inexperience around all tech things, I played with dirt when I was a kid! I haven't figured out how to add arrows to a pic on my laptop yet so i will just submit these with my take on it.

If I could humbly ask for the experts to chime in on my response to these pictures, as to let me know if I might be on the right track to better clarification and learning as far as errors and varieties go, I would be forever thankful! (insert smiley face).

And how does one tell DD vs. MD in the columns on the back in the Lincoln Memorial building. I went to a varieties site, AND even with looking at a true depiction of the real thing, I still get confused if what I see in front of me is the same.

1st - 6th pic
ok so is this an RDV-007?

7 and 8 (figured out the arrows lol)
Is this a cud?

9,10 and 11
would be machine doubling?

I know it's not in the greatest condition, but it was easier to find examples to compare to of the Memorial building reverse vs. the shield.

Thanks again!

 

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and do I have to create a new thread every time i want to throw up a picture? cause in the reply comment section it wants me to paste an url and that's a whole nother day of trying to figure out what it is and how to accomplish it! stupid laptop lol

 

You don't have to create another thread. You have just reached your limit for this post. Just continue on this same thread with more pics if need be. Try to use full sized images though, as it's much easier than everyone clicking on individual pics. After you upload each pic, click on full image at bottom of page and continue this as you add more pics.

 

Sounds like your getting things figured out. Not a cud, Just a die chip (internal die break). Cuds are always on the face edge of a coin.
Reading some of this stuff helped me understand some of the things I could see on coins.

https://www.error-ref.com/index-of-entries/
http://cuds-on-coins.com/
http://www.varietyvista.com/

 

No, no..I understand that there is a limit on how many pics you can put on a thread, and thank you for clarifying the thumbnail versus full image thing. I wasn't quite sure if ya'll could blow it up or zoom it out or not. My question is can one post a picture in a reply or is the only option by listing the url? cause my pics are on a SD card not on a public domain.

 

thanks! already bookmarked. wow is that list long!

 

You can only post 10 photos at a time. Do your post and start your thread. Do another post in the same thread and you can do 10 more but that’s hardly ever needed. Also sounds like you’re learning and getting things figured out.

 

That is an RDV-007, it's only valuable though if it's a 92'.

 

I enjoy reading how analytical you are. What is your day job? A teacher?

I know you may know a lot of the following, but it is something I post for new members and I thought you might find some of it useful.

Photo info for new members to CT


I belabor the point of photographs to most new members so will give you my standard spiel.
For the best results, you should post "in focus," FULL IMAGE photos (after you upload your photo, two buttons appear: Thumbnail and Full Image, click Full Image and your photo appears full size on your post and are easily enlarged by clicking on it). Photograph coins on neutral backgrounds like black, grey, or white. Crop out superfluous background so just the coin shows (you can use https://www.remove.bg for free), and post photos with correct orientation so members don't have to turn their computer in some awkward fashion to view it properly. While it isn’t always necessary, it is nice to show both the obverse and reverse, even if your question is just about one side. Members can often give more valuable information having both sides to evaluate. Add close ups of areas you have questions about and make your questions as definitive as possible so we know what you are asking for. And try to have the best lighting possible to show the most favorable photo of the coin. Hope this helps in the future. Good luck.


Helpful sites:


Removing backgrounds : https://www.remove.bg


Wexler’s site: http://www.doubleddie.com/1801.html


Error coin site: http://www.error-ref.com


Variety Vista: http://varietyvista.com/CONECA Master Listings.htm


Die production info: https://varietyerrors.com/coins/coin-dies-made-little-history/


Online Photo manipulation: Lunapic https://www10.lunapic.com/editor/



Free online software http://x.photoscape.org


http://www.doubleddie.com/144801.html
http://varietyvista.com/index.htm
https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/5688/Double-Dies-vs-Machine-Doubling/
https://coins.thefuntimesguide.com/machine-doubling-doubled-dies/
https://www.error-ref.com/doubled-dies/

Also, this site will allow you to add arrows and manipulate your photos.
http://x.photoscape.org
Use with Mac or Windows.

 

Yeah, don't post like this member!

 

@Mountain Man did a nice job getting you links and tips on photography. Your pictures are decent for a newbie, so you'll be snapping some nicer photos if you follow the tips and do some searches on taking photos. Here are some tips on photos I like to offer:



Choice of background color given the color/tone/metal of your coin is important. You'll note the chartreuse background washes out the brown LWC. Blue was a better choice. Find an object to set the optimal distance for your particular camera/phone. The object should be heavy enough to steady your camera. Fill the viewer with your coin paying attention to over pixelating your image. Watch the lighting and get it from multiple directions but pay attention to glare. Final image above is a shoebox setup using tilted glass to reflect the light evenly over the subject to minimize glare and shadows.

With a little effort, you can produce pretty solid pictures that will help get your questions answered.

 

OMG! Yes that is extremely helpful. Thank you, thank you and thank you!

A teacher? Great compliment, but no. I have been in construction for about 25 years now. Preferably residential. My main gig being a painter/sheetrock. But i am well versed in many aspects of home renovation and repair. I guess you could say I am a jack-of-all trades. My past jobs are as vast and varied.

But I have always been fascinated with new subjects and will research relentlessly to find answers. I am a tom boy, raised in a predominately male family. I also sport a very high IQ. I see things in a prismatic fashion, needing all sides to adhere coherently so that it might best catch the sun's rays and shine

 

Oh wow! How cool. Didnt even begin to think of using background color enhancements in my pictures. I should be ashamed! Being a painter and a huge fan of color! Lol Great idea.!!

I was chuckling to myself when I was looking through your pictures because you should see my kitchen table!! I had notebooks standing up, using them as shields for glare. Dimming my lights and I have several other lights on stands that I was positioning around the coins! Trying to get enough of the coin to be helpful to those taking the time to look through my pictures.

And then when I pop the SD card into my laptop, the confusion of all of these pictures that basically looked exactly the same with a bunch of numbers underneath them! Lol then sorting them out and making sure I put a a neutral picture in between the coins so that I could separate those pictures from the coin before and after it. I was getting confused and trying to figure out the best way to software and program...organizational- wise. how to do that or how to do this.. to make it, you know, this whole process a little more efficient and to properly relay my questions in a manner as to not confuse or bore the experts! All the while attempting to not to come across as a total buffoon. And let's not even talk about the punctuation in the grammar of my post by itself! LOL

 

@Kristine Garrant It sounds like your experimentation is going well. To be frank, I got interested in how to create solid photos with a shoestring budget. Not that I couldn't afford a fancy setup, but I'm driven by challenge and optimization...doing more with less. And I figure that most folks aren't interested in sinking a chunk of money in costly setups if they could/would rather buy a coin that they need. I like the challenge myself, most of the time. And I was able to learn from many other community members some tricks of the trade. While I am a few levels down from the expensive setups and beautiful pictures, my pics aren't half bad. Have fun experimenting and if you are like me, make it an extension of the hobby. And leverage your other knowledge about light (reflection/absorption) with respect to color and picking a backing. I'll bet you will paint a room in the future and think to yourself, this would make a great backing to a coin pic. I will be to blame for that!!

 

I use a desktop or my phone to post pictures, if it's on my desktop, you can just left click on the the picture Icon from the desktop and hold it and drag it to the text box and then release it when it says drop files here to upload.

on my phone I have to search the image gallery, or other places depending on how I took the picture, could be in recent even, then using the upload a file tab below the text box select the file and upload it. must work similar on a laptop, but probably clunky. I'm not a fan of editing or cropping images though, I usually just don't and try to take the closest, clearest full picture that I can from the start and skip the editing.

 

Here's my opinion about posting pictures! (1) I recommend only one coin per thread unless they are different denominations! It can be easy for the viewer to be unsure which pictures go together! (2) Don't post more pictures than necessary to explain the issue(s) you are asking about! (3) Most members like to see a clear, in focus picture of the obverse, reverse and closeup of the area(s) in question! More pictures don't necessarily ensure better information from the viewer!

 

RDV answered post #8. Cud answered post #4, die chip on col.3, cuds are attached to the rim. From what I can tell, the vertical lines on the columns are part of the design, I don’t see any strike doubling.

Backgrounds…stay away from white, it will throw your color balance off and bounce light back into the lens. As you can see, blue does well for brown cents, but maroon and royal blue are used in OGP. Trial and error usually works to nail a background down, depending on the coins color. I like using maroon for gold or Sacagaweas and royal blue for Proof silver. @Kristine Garrant

 

Spark triggered another thought. Avoid busy backgrounds as the camera sensors struggle to bring the subject coin into focus.

 

I thought a gray color was "universal." Did this change for digital cameras?

 

I have the same problem with URL for pictures.