FRANCE 10 FRANCS 1868 OFF METAL STRUCK IN SILVER NOT GOLD

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  1. danoomistmatiste

    danoomistmatiste New Member

    Hi, I recently acquired this coin, france 10 francs 1868 struck in Silver not Gold. It is an off metal strike. What could be the value of this coin>


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    danoomistmatiste, Jan 30, 2022
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    danoomistmatiste New Member

    Here are the coin images
     

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  4. H8_modern

    H8_modern Attracted to small round-ish art

    Can you try to post a better picture? I just can’t see it
     
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  5. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    Click on full image please, otherwise they post as thumbnails
     
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  6. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Even clicking on the thumbnails only brings up little tiny photos that you can't see.
     
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  7. alurid

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  8. danoomistmatiste

    danoomistmatiste New Member

    Seems to be same size as gold 10 francs. Dont know what the weight is. Question I have is, has anyone seen or heard about an OMS coin of the same type.
     
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  10. gxseries

    gxseries Coin Collector

    It might be one of those contemporary counterfeit struck in platinum or base metals. Better photos and weight would help
     
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  11. danoomistmatiste

    danoomistmatiste New Member

    I did post link to original ebay listing which shows a larger image which I am not able to download.
     
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  12. danoomistmatiste

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    Please see if these images help
     

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  13. gxseries

    gxseries Coin Collector

    I have a feeling that it's plated platinum. Can you please weigh it to 0.1g scale?
     
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  14. jgenn

    jgenn World Crown Collector

    The seller on that listing provided no useful info other that it's not struck in gold. I would doubt if the seller tested the coin to determine if it was silver. If you are lucky it is a contemporary counterfeit and might have some value. It's also likely to be a worthless modern forgery.

    You must make some effort to determine what the alloy is made of.
     
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  15. danoomistmatiste

    danoomistmatiste New Member

    I will try to get more information. These coins are available at bullion/melt value. Their mintage runs into several million so beats me as to why anyone would want to forge these coins. A google search also turned up nothing wrt fakes or OMS
     
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  16. jgenn

    jgenn World Crown Collector

    Producing forgeries with less then the correct amount of precious metal is the basis of most counterfeiting enterprises. And, at times the purchasing power of a coin exceeded the value of its precious metal so some forgeries actually had the correct alloy. In large enough volumes small margins bring in profits so never assume there is no reason to forge a coin.
     
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  17. Bill in Burl

    Bill in Burl Collector

    "In large enough volumes small margins bring in profits so never assume there is no reason to forge a coin."

    A very correct and astute statement. Up here in Canada, in the Toronto area, we are being inundated with counterfeit/fake 2 dollar coins. Who would have thought that faking $2 coins was worthwhile, but there are millions of them!
     
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  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    No, but that doesn't really mean much as off metal strikes were fairly common, but are rarely found listed anywhere. That is until one shows up in an auction someplace and questions like this start being posted on various coin forums. Then, it's not unusual for another, or several others, to show up in the next few years.

    Typically they are struck by the mint as test strikes, and or patterns, and it's not uncommon for there to be more than one kind, but usually in what is referred to as white metal, and sometimes silver but less often.

    Years ago I ran across this one in an auction being held by one of the major auction houses. It was completely unlisted in any book or previous auction records, and so noted in the auction catalog. But, being a ducat, I bought it as a curiosity.

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    Then about a year later I ran across this one, and bought it too.


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    And then about a year or so after that a friend of mine found yet another and he bought that one.


    All of that said, there are a few off metal strikes of various types and countries that are known, that are listed, but not many really. Most mints simply didn't keep records of such things as there was no reason to do so because it was normal for this to happen.

    And of course there are counterfeits, contemporary or otherwise, that are washed and or plated in the normal metal. But those are often detectable, especially if they have a bit of wear, and sometimes design discrepancies. Whereas the off metal strikes are typically spot on design wise, but obviously not of the correct metal.
     
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  19. danoomistmatiste

    danoomistmatiste New Member

    Thank you for your response. The design and strike seem to be spot on so this one must to be one of those unreported OMS trial strikes.
     
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