Acetone Questions.

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by dctjr80, Feb 17, 2010.

  1. swish513

    swish513 Penny & Cent Collector

    i thought acetone turned copper black? am i wrong on that?
     
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  3. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Yes! Some say it takes on a pink cast, but never heard black.
     
  4. TomCorona

    TomCorona New Member

    I think it's very telling how the "experts" disagree. Just goes to show you opinions are simply that...opinions. The facts often vary. 24,000 posts or 24, "facts" often are born of opinions rather than actual facts. (an important disclaimer that should be included in many posts).
     
  5. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"


    That,s it "Opinions" I guess this could be considered a hands on
    Project :rolleyes:
     
  6. sweet wheatz

    sweet wheatz Senior Member

    So if someone does conserve it with accitone and if they are a honest dealer, do they say the coin has been cleaned, say conserved, or say nothing.
     
  7. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    At least 99% of the time they will say nothing because they will know nothing. Even GDJMSP admits that, although he probably would think it would be noticeable more than 1% of the time.
     
  8. TomCorona

    TomCorona New Member

    If they're honest, they'll admit they've all be cleaned at some point. Scuse me...conserved.
     
  9. sweet wheatz

    sweet wheatz Senior Member

    If they were the one doing it, how would they know nothing
     
  10. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Here is GDJMSP's answer from post #2. Now do you really think that PCGS and NGC would grade them if they could tell something had been done? Really?
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    rlm is right - telling whether or not a coin has been dipped in acetone is impossible, as long as it is done correctly and there is no residiue left on the coin.

    And aside from the fact that I think a final rinse in distilled water is the way to go - I would readily agree that the vast majority of the time those who do their final rinse in acetone have no problems whatsoever.

    So yes Tom, what I have been saying IS my opinion. But my opinion is based on experience over a period of many years. Instead of just hot air :secret:
     
  12. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    There will be some results of testing, but not much. That would be too large of an undertaking. The material presented is based upon my experience, reading and science. The book is primarily about copper coin verdigris and verdigris conservation with some discussion of general conservation because there is overlap.
     
  13. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    You know what they say about opinions. :D

    My comments are based on science and experience. Regardless of your experience, you cannot trump the science. If somebody ruined their coin using acetone, it was because they improperly conserved the coin, the coin had pre-existing problems, or their acetone was of poor grade or contaminated.
     
  14. alicechaos

    alicechaos Junior Member

    So then, will my fingernail polish remover do the trick?
     
  15. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    NO! Not pure acetone.
     
  16. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    NEVER use fingernail polish! It contains added ingredients like ethyl acetate and perfumes.
     
  17. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"


    So what do they do to a coin:yawn:
     
  18. TomCorona

    TomCorona New Member

    Cool Thad. I'm always up for material that is based on science and experience. Good combination. I look forward to picking it up when it comes out. I do wish someone would do one on actual tests, photographs, and the like on different metals with different chemicals. There is so much disinformation regarding "conservation", it would benefit many folks if there were such a thing. Metal is essentially a chemical. There has to be a better way to "conserve" them via some other chemical component.

    I was read David Bower's book on grading by photographs (excellent book). He acknowledges the "code of silence" associated with conservation, but didn't expand on it much. I have to say I certainly don't understand what the big information blockade is all about. Is the "conservation" business that cut throat that a "code of silence" needs to be formed? Is it a closed market or what? Strange aspect of coin collecting IMHO. Maybe your book will enlighten me a bit on some of it. :)
     
  19. alicechaos

    alicechaos Junior Member

    Not too much happened to the "guinea pig" cent that I had dipped in polish remover. I only left it in for a couple minutes. It does smell nice, though.
     
  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Hmmmmm -sounds amazingly like what I have been saying all along :whistle:
     
  21. Zzyzzyth

    Zzyzzyth Junior Member

    LOL!

    I ran down to the hardware store this weekend and bought some acetone. It is still sitting in the bag in the corner. I'm afraid!

    I'm going to find some road kill and take before and after pics and see what I get.
     
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