Coin Care Chemical

I believe truer words have hardly been spoken.

For many years I've found "slabbed" coins by various TPG that I believed could be submitted for an elevated grade.

I've never personally directly submitted a coin to a TPG, but instead use established dealers/submitters.

I acquired a 1902 AU58 slabbed Double Eagle which had a believed horrendous "Copper spot" in a prominent location.

I removed the coin from the slab for submission with other coins, and submitted the lot to an established PCGS dealer. I never said a word about the coins as he viewed them. He said "I can remove that Copper spot, if you want". YES, PLEASE!

The coin came back several grades improved, "Mint State".

I knew from my efforts on other coins the value of "
conservation", but had never seen this degree. When properly applied, "Cleaning" pays.

JMHO

 

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This is my second time reading this thread.
How is that Verdicare coming along @BadThad

 

Thanks for your comments. Normally, I just like to read the posts and enjoy the treasure of knowledge; but when I'm personally attacked and belittled then it becomes unacceptable. Insider, while knowlegeable, is also conceited and immature, both of which are on full display in his comments. He really needs to get a life outside of coins and learn the social graces of literary etiquette and the opinions of others. Shouting (bold, caps, color) are unnecessary and not constructive to any conversation.

 

Well Stated! I find myself being "over-powering" at times.

Fortunately, I care for a wonderful Alzheimer's memory loss patient during the week, who generally just smiles. When I make a comment about a talk show subject, and she wants to express her thought, she will ask "do you think?" before a statement.

She knows that I'll always agree with her "more correct" thought/statement.

I wish that internal diminishing influence, would always allow a response as yours.

The world may then be a "better place"!!

JMHO

 

I have to defend Insider's or any member's use of bold, italics, color, emojis, text size, etc. as they are offered in the text box that every member uses. I view its purpose as part of a response along with Quote and Reply and throwing out multiple likes. It is a personality statement. One can use them or not. Members may not like some, but if a person doesn't like it, don't reply. If the language is unacceptable, then action will take place. Jim

 

And you allow personal attacks such as "challenged" etc? I agree with your assessment of the use of bold, caps, color, but those responses were personal in nature.

 

I just pass over most of what he has to say. I get lost in his madness.

 

And you allow personal attacks such as "challenged" etc? I agree with your assessment of the use of bold, caps, color, but those responses were personal in nature.

If you go back to post 189, you seem to have started a series of posts that led up to it. If you still feel as above, please ask Doug to give a look. It could have been he was referring to your understanding of coin treatment. You are perhaps thinking of the term in one aspect and there certainly others with differing meanings. Jim

 

We're still waiting on raw materials, been 8 weeks now since we ordered.

 

I think I have an order to fill. I haven't tried your solution yet. Would like to give it a try.

 

You are my age - a grown man, yet you have already demonstrated that you do not understand the meaning of common English words: I never SAID you SAID coin dealers were crooks.

You were not attacked personally - it is against the rules. You posted an "As I understand..." comment that needed to be refuted so that you would really "understand" what is being discussed in this thread. Additionally, you appear to believe there is such a thing as "fairness and honesty" (the seller needs to tell the buyer: whatever. NUTS! There is no Santa Clause) in this hobby/business. I take responsibility for anything I post. Try it for yourself.

Finally, my original attempt was to help you learn something. I'm so sorry that my way of posting offended you but I don't wear white gloves or post softly.

 

This is my original response to your foray onto this discussion:

Apparently, you missed some posted info from copper collectors.

whopper64, posted: 8165325, member: "The gist of these posts (IMHO) is that inert oils should not really harm the coins, but any improvement of appearance is temporary. [It all depends on what "temporary" means to you. Oil can remain on a coin for a very, very, very long time. Eventually, some oils turn into a thick dry crust.] This is where the intent to deceive if the coin is sold relatively soon after the oiling [Unfortunately, without intent , this opinion then implies that all Large cent dealers are crooks!] I also realize that any coins AU or above should never be oiled, [ABSOLUTELY FALSE! A opinion. Actually, the higher the grade - the more lustrous the copper becomes. Note: If "Red" copper is oiled to remove something, I remove the oil when done] but that the oiling can be done to lower grade coins to help clean them without harsh chemicals to improve their appearance."

This next proves you did not understand what I wrote; however, I enjoyed reading how you twisted and misquoted my comments so that you could play the "offended card." I should lighten up so that you would continue to be uninformed? Sorry, that's not me.

whopper64, posted: "First, temporary is temporary, permanent is permanent - lighten up Insider.

I was stationed in California on temporary duty for six years.

Second, Never said anyone was a crook [Of course you didn't - you IMPLIED IT!] led rises to shady practices - lighten up Insider.

Third, Too many distinguished members have stated that no coin should be oiled, especially higher grade coins. [Each of the distinguished members has both a backside and an opinion. So let's just ignore the copper dealer and the kid who has been cleaning all sorts of things since he was old enough to sniff glue.] Just because you remove the oil when you're done [BUT most of the time I DON'T ...wait for it...because the oil is used to remain on the coin] does not mean that every other collector/seller does so - lighten up Insider."

 

@Insider I have never heard of oiling a red coin. Is that copper spot related or just a coin that was soaked in acetone or xylene too long

 

Speaking up for collectors of early copper, here. Nearly ALL of us brush our coins from time to time with Blue Ribbon/Care/Coin Care or the like. It is NOT done to deceive, as all of us know what our coins look like after a brushing. None of us are deceived in any way by looking at a copper brushed with oil.

Collectors have been doing this for at least a century, and the coins have not in any way been harmed by the process.

True, it doesn't last forever. So what? If you aren't interested enough in your coins to take them out once or twice a year and give them a light brushing, which will also get rid of dust and other crud that might cause corrosion, then you should sell them to someone who is.

If you want to coat your coins with something permanent, which I do NOT recommend, try lacquer. Just don't expect anyone to think it was a good idea to lacquer your coin.

Thus endeth the rant.

 

I see you are one of the members who paid attention to what I actually wrote.

I'm giving up some conservation secrets here so please keep this to yourself. All I will say is that I THINK Coin Care is both a a lubricant and surface protector. Most conservation done to coins involves a wet surface.

 

After reading the MANY pros and cons on oils, coin cleaning products, water, and many other assorted products like lighter fluid and WD-40. I think I'll stick to the old saying "When in doubt, don't do it". No cleaning of a coin in this house unless it's found in the dirt.

 

Well yeah, different religion...