Id help Nerva

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  1. paschka

    paschka Well-Known Member

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  3. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    That doesn’t look real at all
     
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  4. paschka

    paschka Well-Known Member

    this is a gross fake?
     
  5. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    It's supposed to be Trajan but it's a modern fake.
     
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  6. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    And not even close to anything real.

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  7. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    The "cellator" must have inspired himself from
    upload_2022-1-16_23-8-48.png

    But probably he was very drunk.
    I don't think this thing was even designed to make someone think it's an ancient coin.
     
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  8. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Wouldn't be surprised if this was sold for a buck or two in a local gift shop
     
  9. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    Probably. This is not related to the dangerous fakes we see every day.
    I will ignore the style, letters, perfect round shape, whatever, but just some things that really shout:
    - obverse legend - after IMP CAES NERVA the next letters make no sense (probably EIFRIAN CA is a TRAIAN but not close enough), then GER DAC, that looks like a DER DAC and is followed by PM I (?!) and a letter that is a hybrid between T and R
    - reverse legend - I think here the cellator was not completely drunk, just starting, but he wrote PR1NCIPI and forgot how you do the last P
    - the "exergue" - well that's super, AQ VA 6, this sounds like a space mission code name.

    @paschka I sincerely hope you didn't pay too much for this nonsense. In fact I hope you didn't pay anything.
     
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  10. paschka

    paschka Well-Known Member

    Thank you. Yes, I didn’t pay for this. I know that’s a souvenir.
     
  11. sand

    sand Well-Known Member

    Hello @paschka
    Are you saying, that you knew, before you posted this thread, that the coin is a souvenir, and not authentic?
    Or, are you saying, that you learned from this thread's responses, that the coin is a souvenir, and not authentic?
     
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  12. paschka

    paschka Well-Known Member

    before this thread, I thought that this was a barbaric imitation of the ancient period with silver plating on a copper base, but I assumed that this was a modern souvenir fake.

    there are finds of similar emitters from the time of the ancient tribes of the Sarmatians
     
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  13. sand

    sand Well-Known Member

    This statement is difficult to understand. Maybe, what you are trying to say, is as follows :
    "Before this thread, I thought that, there was a chance, that the coin was an authentic ancient barbaric imitation with silver plating on a copper base. But, I thought that, probably the coin was a modern souvenir fake."
     
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  14. singig

    singig Well-Known Member

    He tried to imitate a Paduan by Giovanni Cavino (1500-1570) , is funny how he misspelled the most important word on the coin :) , IFRIANC = TRAIANO

    trajan aqva.jpg
    trajan aqva2.jpg

    and the original from acsearch :
    222306.jpg
     
  15. PeteB

    PeteB Well-Known Member

    Looks like it was once a pendant for a necklace.
     
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  16. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    Aqua Traiana, I don't know why I thought at the Danubius denarius.
    Anyway I would prefer all the fakes to be done by wise and talented people, like this one's author.
     
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  17. paschka

    paschka Well-Known Member

    very interesting story. This is a copy of a copy of a genuine 16th century coin.
     
  18. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure the correctness of calling a Paduan a "genuine" coin
     
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  19. paschka

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    i.e. there were 3 coins. 1 - is an ancient Trojan, then there was the 2nd Piduan of the 16th century, and then the 3rd coin is the one that I showed here, that is, is this a copy already from the Piduan?
     
  20. sand

    sand Well-Known Member

    In a sense, a Paduan was not intended to be a "copy". A Paduan wasn't meant to fool anyone, because a Paduan has certain details that are completely different than an authentic coin. A Paduan was meant to be an artistic impression of an authentic coin, rather than a "copy" of an authentic coin. Notice, in the @singig post, that on the 2 Paduan coins, on the obverse, Trajan is wearing clothing, but on the authentic ancient coin Trajan is not wearing clothing.
    EDIT : Maybe some Paduan coins were intended to fool people. I don't know. Here's an article, about them. There are probably much more extensive articles about them.
    https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=paduan
     
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  21. sand

    sand Well-Known Member

    P.S. : The authentic ancient Trajan coin is not a Paduan. The Paduan is the 16th century artistic impression.
     
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