How about a modern Woody/Toner quarter?!

Discussion in 'Coin Roll Hunting' started by Kurisu, Jan 11, 2022.

  1. Kurisu

    Kurisu Well-Known Member

    Came out of a customer roll...yes, it really looks like this!
    Not something you see much with moderns and vintage coins alike...a nice woody texture with beautiful natural toning!

    I know this is a challenge because they're so rare but, let's see some toned woodies of any denomination!

    2008 Alaska 25c toner obverse.jpg
    2008 Alaska 25c toner reverse.jpg
     
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  3. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    I no expert but those look like "Roller Marks".;)
     
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  4. Kurisu

    Kurisu Well-Known Member

    Lol Sal!... for those who are just learning about woodys...

    There are plenty of debates about this grain that shows up in modern quarters...but I can tell you 100% for sure that woody grain is in fact in the alloy of the planchet. Definitely not roller marks here.

    Notice how the grain continues perfectly across the raised devices...because the woody texture was already there before the coin was struck.

    I EDITED HERE - WELL...It's very adult to eat your own words lol. I agree fully below that this is in fact roller marks.
    If there's anything us coin collectors love, it's learning new bits :bookworm::bored::wideyed::woot:
     
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  5. expat

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  6. Kurisu

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  7. JP@

    JP@ Well-Known Member

    I like roller marks a lot but I like woody cents better (and pennies too, for the semantics police, because I also have woodies from GB :angelic:)

    Here's a recent addition:
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  8. Mountain Man

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  9. Kurisu

    Kurisu Well-Known Member

    Great question @Mountain Man!
    I myself would love to know how to differentiate roller marks from an improper alloy!
    I'm making a few assumptions on my quarter because what I see seems to be in the metal as apposed to ON the metal...
     
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  10. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Roller marks are incused, but may be undetectable. Have you checked that?
     
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  11. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    It's not an improperly mixed alloy for a couple reasons

    * an improperly mixed alloy starts with a randomly shaped region in the ingot.
    * these regions get elongated during the rolling process, but since the shapes are random, the areas will still vary in thickness and location. You can see how the shape varies on the 2 examples others have posted
    * your coin has parallel lines of consistent thicknesses. That is increadibly unlikely to occur from a randomly shaped region in the melt.
    * also your coin has similar lines on both sides, yet the outer layers of the clad come from diff feedstock with the copper sandwiched in the middle. Cents and nickels are rolled from 1 ingot which makes it possible for the improperly mixed regions to be visible on both sides

    A better explanation is that dirty rollers pressed oil/residue just slightly into the surface of the strip. Over time, this contamination can tone differently than the rest of the coin. These have been called roller marks, but traditionally roller marks have defined by sites like error-ref as being slightly recessed due to something adhering to the rollers. That's why I prefer the term dirty rollers.

    I believe this is the same mechanism that caused the parallel striations found on some 1979-81 cents that are some think are woodies.
     
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  12. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Not a woodie,but an 1975 D Jefferson nickel that shows that the medal wasn't mixed-rolled correctly.
    Nickels are .750 copper/250 nickel. I found this one roll searching years ago. 20220111_165418.jpg 20220111_165437.jpg

    The 75 hi D variety is very rare as well pricey.
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  13. Kurisu

    Kurisu Well-Known Member

    Well that's super helpful!
    Also I hadn't thought about your point of...
    * also your coin has similar lines on both sides, yet the outer layers of the clad come from diff feedstock with the copper sandwiched in the middle. Cents and nickels are rolled from 1 ingot which makes it possible for the improperly mixed regions to be visible on both sides
     
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  14. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If I owned that quarter, I would also call it a woody. It's unique, thanks for sharing.
     
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  15. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    I think this could be an annealing issue and not an improper alloy. Maybe even environmental, but I'm leaning towards annealing. Just an opinion and I could be wrong.

    Also, I am assuming you added the high D info as an FYI and not saying that's what you have
     
  16. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    they are still cool to behold
     
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  17. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    more likely from when it went to the annealing chamber..improper annealed coin, or planchet
     
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  18. Mark68

    Mark68 Well-Known Member

    One of my improperly annealed planchet. Screenshot_20220111-160321_Gallery.jpg
     
  19. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    how
    Ooooooooooo...gotta show mine
    woodie Indian front.jpg woodie indian back.jpg
     
  20. PassthePuck

    PassthePuck Well-Known Member

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  21. Lueds

    Lueds Well-Known Member

    Here's my woody from Australia. Semi Key also. I love this baby

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