2022 Negro Leagues Baseball Commemorative Coin Program

Thanks for posting these numbers. Where did you find them?

 

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Thanks for posting. How may of the privy silver dollars remain?

 

There's essentially no chance they sold 300k+ halfs and 40k+ gold when the privy and medal set are still for sale. Those are far more likely to be sales numbers than remaining numbers if there's any accuracy to them at all

 

I’m a big baseball fan, but I’m disappointed in these. Generic presentations without any mention of the true stars of the Negro Leagues, such as Satchel Paige and many others. I’m probably going to pass.

 

Go to the mint page...
https://catalog.usmint.gov/negro-leagues-baseball-2022-proof-silver-dollar-with-privy-mark-22CS.html

Right-click in the page and select "view page source" when that opens, do a find for AvailableCount

 

Thanks! Although after looking I suspect they're not what they appear to be...

 

Love baseball and coins but will wait a year or two and probably get one below issue price.

 

Thanks for the info. Not sure that 19997 of 20000 are still available. Maybe only 3 are left?

 

10,913 of the privy $1 available as of 5:20 AM PST

 

They must have fixed it. I just got 10,903 of the silver dollar privy left. I'll bet these sell out quickly once they lift the HHL. TC

 

Silver dollar privy is now unavailable! Their source code shows that 10,889 are still available, so maybe another product later in the year? TC

 

Finally

 

Back on sale even though AvailableCount=0.

 

It's possible that the mint figured out people were doing this.

So they moved the functionality to the backend [leveraging an existing post-back], and just left it - non-functional - in the page source to minimize the retesting required.

That would have been how a NORMAL website was coded anyway. It was always crazy to have the order entry functions controlled with client-side (i.e. on your desktop) code. It's trivial to open the developer tools, set a breakpoint, override something you don't like (such as the HHL), and poke the order into the mint anyways.

 

Yep. You can check on the client side, but always enforce on the server side.

 

The silver dollar privy is not available again.

 

I agree that U.S. contemporary commemoratives, especially in the last few years, have design themes that seem REALLY narrow. Not that that's bad, it's like you say: it's just that there are other formats (websites, books, museums) other than coins that are more attractive for exploring such themes, unless one is really attracted to such pieces for some reason.

I wonder if the Mint finds that broader allegorical themes that celebrate the "generic ideas" of the Unites States or of liberty don't sell as well?

In any case, the Mint could simply reduce the mintages of ANY of their commemorative coins, and LOTS of collectors would show much more interest, regardless of theme!

 

No they can't.

In most cases the mintage limits for the coins are given in the enabling legislation. As well sometimes as fairly explicit definitions of the artistic (air quotes) content.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/4104/text?r=7&s=1

"
shall mint and issue the following
coins:
(1) $5 gold coins.--Not more than 50,000 $5 coins, which
shall--
(A) weigh 8.359 grams;
(B) have a diameter of 0.850 inches; and
(C) contain not less than 90 percent gold."

In legislation shall means a requirement. The wiggle room is that "shall not more" establishes an upper bound. Zero meets the legal test too.

And the mint retains flexibility in product types within those limits. 10K with a privy mark are fine, they just count against the overall limit.

Ultimately blame for the design falls on the secretary of the Treasury...

"(b) Selection.--The designs for the coins minted under this Act
shall be--
(1) <<NOTE: Consultation.>> selected by the Secretary after
consultation with the Negro Leagues Baseball Museum and the
Commission of Fine Arts; and
(2) reviewed by the Citizens Coinage Advisory Committee."

The shenanigans over having an S proof but a reverse W proof falls right on Congress:

"SEC. 5. ISSUANCE OF COINS.

(a) Quality of Coins.--Coins minted under this Act shall be issued
in uncirculated and proof qualities.
(b) Mint Facilities.--Only 1 facility of the United States Mint may
be used to strike any particular quality of the coins minted under this
Act."

If you check the legislation for the 2021 Morgan and peace dollars dollars you'll see that they designated specific mints that were to strike the coins. That's why you could have both circulated and uncirculated PD and S coins.

 

Thats true for EVERY coin so basically what youre saying is one should just read books and websites and forget about collecting

No they cant. Commemoratives are dictated by law not by the mints decisions

 

There might be some wisdom in that, yes!