Did PCGS screw up grading this coin?

That's sad too these are collector coins not business strike coins

 

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By your definition it can not possibly be bur because proof coins are not fed with feeder fingers. You didn't read enough.

https://www.error-ref.com/?s=Bur

https://www.error-ref.com/?s=Finning

Edited to add the links.

 

your link is to curvliinear blanking burrs and cutting burrs specifically, two of a few types of how burrs occur in planchet or blank creation. theres also rolling fold burr, feeder finger damage creating a burr, and ejection damage creating a burr.

I'm not saying it happened from feeder fingers, most likely it happened on ejection after the strike. it's unlikely a defective .999 silver planchet makes it that far prestrike, polishing even, and is hand fed, and nobody notices the huge cutting burr.

 

If the strike through on the OP’s Morgan is like the one on mine ( and I suspect out is) it is only attached on the rim. The metal you see in the field isn’t actually touching the field or embedded in it. It is hovering just above it.

 

Which makes sense given that they usually just do circulation coins and only do large collectables like that every now and then

 

A rim burr is a Mint error. I didn't know you didn't know about them. You want to look at this link, then: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/is-a-rim-burr-considered-a-mint-error.358449/. If PCGS had been on the ball they'd have caught and attributed it as a struck-in rim burr.

 

They did obviously catch it. You only get it on the label if you submit it as an error

 

Excuse me?

 

He’s saying PCGS was fully aware of this error when they graded it but that they didn’t put it on the label because I didn’t pay for them to label errors/varieties.

 

Exactly. It would have been a details coin if it wasnt an error

 

That's provided they even saw it. You've a little more confidence in them than I do imagining they obviously caught it simply because they didn't detail it. How about they plumb didn't even see it? Would that work, too?

 

If you want to make a fool out of yourself that's your choice.

 

They absolutely saw it.

Even if somehow the first 2 world class graders missed it…it still goes to “Quality Assurance” where it is checked and double checked again.

Afterall when PCGS mis-grades a coin they are potentially losing money because of the PCGS Guarantee.

Even if I sent this coin back in and told them exactly what the problem was and they said “Oh we missed that. It’s a 69.” the PCGS Guarantee would kick in and I could demand either a legit MS70 or the fair market value between 69 and 70. Not only that but they would be obligated to return my grading fees for that coin.

PCGS doesn’t want to lose money. If anything they are more likely to undergrade than overgrade.

A dealer I know named Daniel had a similar coin with a similar error and he sent it in with “variety attribution” so I am very interested to see if they give him the “Mint Error” label.

 

To be honest I’m not sure.

I never took it out of the capsule. I didn’t want to take any risks prior to submission lol.

 

Yup! I imagine the graders were probably thinking to themselves:

“Shame he didn’t get variety attribution.”

 

They probably dont care to be honest lol. But yea the notion that somehow they didnt see something that obvious is so dumb its not even funny

 

World class graders? Double checked again? I think your expectations are too high… it’s only a modern coin… quantity over quality.

 

Yes. I believe that’s how it works even with modern coins.

If they played fast and loose with it then we would see tons of 70s with problems and it would result in people sending them back under the PCGS Guarantee and cost PCGS a fortune.

As for Q&A my coins were stuck in that stage of the process for longer than any other phase including “Grading” and “Encapsulation”.

The fact is PCGS did not “miss” the error on mine. I had other coins with much less noticeable issues that got a 69 grade because under very bright light at a specific angle a small 1mm streak is visible above the hair.

 

If it wasn’t so obviously noticeable I would agree it was missed.

But one of the definitions of MS69 is that it has “imperfections upon close inspection”.

That tells me that they are looking at these things through loupes or some form of magnification. That is also what the grading video put out by PCGS shows. It shows graders all looking through loupes.

However the error on my coin doesn’t even need a loupe to see. It’s noticeable even to an inexperienced non-collector with the naked eye.

When PCGS looked at this coin they would’ve seen it like this:




There is NO way they could possibly miss that. Not even 1 grader let alone both graders and Q&A.

It’s just not logical to think that they did.

 

I wouldnt. They dont miss much and know more than pretty much everyone that trys and degrades them as incompetent. No reason to try and explain it. To be honest you're actually over doing it

The simple fact is they saw it, its an error, it was graded, errors require an extra fee for the label. No need to over complicate it trying to explain it