Did PCGS screw up grading this coin?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Gam3rBlake, Jan 5, 2022.

  1. Gam3rBlake

    Gam3rBlake Well-Known Member

    Etsy - $100,000 for a desirable 1 of a kind struck-through 2021 D Morgan Dollar PCGS MS70 First Strike!

    But in all seriousness I think to sell it as an error I would have to re-submit it with variety attribution.

    I wish PCGS would contact customers if they saw error/varieties and ask if the customer wants to pay for the designation or not.

    Because I imagine ALOT of coins must be errors/varieties but that whoever originally submitted them had no clue.

    Coins like this aren’t like old school Morgans because there are no databases for the dies & varieties like with OG Morgans.
     
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  3. Gam3rBlake

    Gam3rBlake Well-Known Member

    Hey guys here are some better pics if they help determine if this is a strike through or not :).

    Thanks again!
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  4. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    I wasn't implying that.. Just saying that it further established what it could be.. Peace :angelic:
     
  5. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    First Strike, that's how it came back at MS-70 .
    This coin is from a ( Bulk Grade ) not a " Base Grade " submission ...
     
  6. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    I have both kinds of grades in my collection ..
    Easy to tell the difference in the two....
     
  7. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    The last photo appears to be a scratch on the holder. Its not a die crack because the reeded edge is formed by a different die (collar die) and if it were a scratch on the coin, I would think that it would skip along the top of the reeds.
     
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  8. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    The mystery continues :confused:

    @Gam3rBlake
    You're going to have to crack the coin out of the slab in order to get a better idea what it could be :wacky:
     
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  9. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    From these images looks like a strikethrough
     
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  10. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

    Partially detached rim finning.
     
  11. COOPER12

    COOPER12 Well-Known Member

    almost looks like part of the rim edge got shaved and stuck on there
     
  12. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    Give each of these guys a chicken dinner! That is exactly what it is. It is detached on each end and remains attached in the middle, so partially detached finned rim.
     
  13. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    In the first photos it looks more like a die crack. In the last 2 photos it looks like a strike through. There is a star between the “R” in DOLLAR and the last “A” in AMERICA. It looks like something is going on there as well as the area you’re asking about. From these last photos it also looks like the area you pointed out, to this star, as being on the edge. Can you get photos of it?
    @paddyman98 Did you happen to see this?
     
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  14. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    jeez guys, I'm no expert and will never claim to be but this looks like a struck through rim burr, and also an attached rim burr. definitely a burr though. some call it rim finning, but it's shaved off not pushed up additional material. POSSIBLY, the south end of the burr is laying on the surface of the coin from encapsulation and not struck in,,,,, I think it's an amazing example though of a large burr.

    Again I'm not an expert but yes, clearly they missed it somehow. if it's not struck in, then maybe it happened on ejection, if it's partially struck in it would have happened from the feeder fingers.

    Id call it attached large rim burrs, possibly struck through rim burr near the 6 o'clock position, but that would take opening the encapsulation to determine if it is struck into the coin also, And I'd probably send it back to the grading company for that determination to be made, and either have it as large attached rim burr, or attached rim burr, struck in rim burr, however it turns out. either way keep it intact if you want the grade to stick. A second opinion resubmission might down grade it to 69, but not in the slab I don't think. it should remain as a 70, it is as struck.
     
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  15. Gam3rBlake

    Gam3rBlake Well-Known Member

    No it’s not I sent it in myself and it was sent in as a normal submission.
     
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  16. Rick Stachowski

    Rick Stachowski Motor City Car Capital

    If I remember correctly First Strike is 100 coin minimum for grading ...
     
  17. Cherd

    Cherd Junior Member

    It's somewhat problematic that TPGs offer these tiers of grading services that are referenced with respect to this coin. This is because the important thing is that the expert's opinion is conveyed to the person making the purchase. If information is missing from the slab label just because the extra tier of service wasn't purchased, then the label itself could be misleading to potential buyers.

    This type of thing is especially problematic with NGC Ancients. They charge extra for more detailed evaluations, which show up on slab labels as Strike, Surface, Style, and specific problems. The cheaper option simply provides a net grade, so savvy dealers will tend to submit problem coins at this tier to avoid conveying issues to potential buyers.

    Of course, these things are a bit of a noob trap as you know what to look for once you understand the game, and in the end, it is the buyer's responsibility to examine the coin. But, if we were all expert enough to do this ourselves then we wouldn't need the TPGs to begin with, and it'd be nice if these noob traps just didn't exist in the first place.
     
  18. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    No its not. There's no minimum for it. Bulk is 100 coin minimum which has absolutely nothing to do with First Strike/First Day of Issue etc
     
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  19. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I posted a coin recently that the TPG label on the back side states limited to, I believe 30 days, to the get the First Strike label. It was a first strike but I can’t remember anything else.

    Edited to correct my mistake.
     
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  20. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    https://www.pcgs.com/firststrike

    30 days not 90, even says 30 days on the label.

    And to correct the incorrect information from anyone wonder it has nothing to do with bulk submission, no minimum, after the 30 day period has to be a mint sealed box that was shipped during that time to get it, it's an extra charge and not automatic.
     
  21. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Look at this mangled part of the rim in the yellow box. This could be a little burr. If a sliver overhung the planchet when it was struck, it would look like this. Look at the sliver on the right side of the box, it didn't overhang. I think this is a little rim burr error. I've come across a few of these in Kennedy Halves.

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