HELP! Request for information on Omega High Relief from CU

He copied that from me....that's how I solved the "Son Of Sam" killings back in 1977 when I was killing time before entering high school.

 

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I am going to have to read the entire thread to ascertain how much facts there are, but the main story seems off-kilter. I mean, I could see a bunch of crooked coin collectors in NYC making fake Saints -- but organized crime ? Doesn't fit the MO.

And wasn't the source once tied to Lebanaon and the Middle East ?

Like I said, I have to read the PDF this weekend. Right now, I have Georgia vs. Michigan to see who Alabama plays.

 

You mean ASTROLOGER ?

I'm an astronomer with my 8" Celestron scope.

 

Yes, the boss is a major gold dealer and he bought it just to have one. We are putting in our C/F slab for him. I wanted to give him the true story and TTTT version w/o having to write it all down.

I sold my C-8's (I've owned 2 of them one in 1990 and again in 2010) because of light pollution.

 

Amazing price point! Just an fyi link!

 

I'm hoping all these people buying RVs and going to national parks and taking up camping during Covid leads to an astronomy boom.

My club just opened up a new dark-sky viewing location for our members and I have been going to Cherry Springs State Park in Central PA for a few years -- great skies.

 

Whoever the Omega man was he may be dead and gone by now and it only makes sense if he worked at one of the larger coin minting companies or even one of the World Government Coin Mints. Maybe even the US Mint! I would think if a person got a real 1907 Saint Gaudens and the Omega man's fake and had them scanned with a high priced XRF scanner then if the spectrometer readings were exactly the same, then maybe they would have to have been made at the US Mint, idk. Maybe it’s been done already, idk, just sayin'!

 

From a 2011 CU thread:

Omega Man Counterfeiter...In the early 1970’s, ANACS (American Numismatic Association Certification Service) noticed an unusually high number of “high relief” coins entering the market. High relief coins are coins that are struck multiple times to produce extremely clear, concise contours. Suspicious that an unusually high quality counterfeiter could be the culprit, they began careful examination of the coins. If it weren’t for a minute “omega” symbol in the claw of the eagle on the coin, they would have never known they were counterfeits.

Like paper money, coins are often counterfeited. In almost all cases, they are very easy to spot, especially by expert coin examiners such as ANACS, using high magnification lenses and microscopic equipment. These counterfeit coins are often molded rather than struck with a press such as those used by United States mints to produce American coinage. The molded varieties always leave tell-tale signs that they are a fake. Bubbles and unusual markings that could not possibly be produced with a coin press are dead giveaways that they are fakes. The Omega coins on the other hand, are indistinguishable from the real thing.

The counterfeiter was dubbed the Omega Man. It is believed that his coins are identical to the real thing except for the omega symbol that he arrogantly leaves as his trademark. The symbol is not visible to the naked high and can only be seen under high magnifcation. In most cases the omega symbol was placed near the eagle's claw on the back of the coin but in at least two cases the symbol was placed within the upper loop of the "R" in the word "liberty" on the front of the coin.

It is believed that the Omega Man has created over 20,000 fake 1907 ultra high-relief United States $20 gold Double Eagle coins worth well over $300 million dollars. His forgeries are of such a high quality that collectors will pay in excess of $1,000 for a single counterfeit coin (the real coins retail for nearly $100,000).

The Omega man also counterfeit other US coins including a large quantity of $3 gold pieces, dated 1874, 1878, and 1882 (with the 1882 version being the most prevelent). He is also counterfeited $10 gold pieces, the 1913-P and 1926-P, both of which have the “Omega” placed upside down within the upper loop of the “R” in “Liberty” in the Indian’s headdress.

The identity of the Omega Man is still unknown.

 

We have a thread on the Omegas here at CU:

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/two-omega-1907-20-high-relief-st-gaudens.324031/

 

Insider, what are you referring to when you say "The entire story was told in my "Insight on Coinage" newsletter" as GDJMSP quoted above ?

EDIT: I see now what you were talking about, ignore this post.

 

OK, I think I got it now....in the Original Thread over at CU you apparently posted or someone did a file of research that involved you from the 1970's with original research on the Omegas, is that it ?

 

So....you were the "original authenticator"....Walter Breen apparently had some thoughts on the Omega HRs (or Breen's work at the Smithsonian was on Authentic HRs, can't tell from your post)....I got it.

Now I see how it all links together. Within the Original CU Thread you posted a key file (Word ? PDF ?) with original research and thoughts. I do not recall ever seeing something like that, and if it was deep into the thread, that's why I saved the thread in the first place: I didn't have the time then to read your post or click on your attachment. Your post (but without a link to the research attachment) should be in that 35-page PDF I posted if you commented with the attachment over at CU.

This story has additional legs besides the Organized Crime angle. Hope you can fill-in-the-blanks, Insider !

 

The TTTT pdf is totally one-sided without all the responding posts picking holes in his narrative. The guy is like the Erich von Daniken of numismatics.

 

So far, I have read only about 12 of the 35 pages of the PDF. It's mostly just the OP's posts -- is that TTTT ? -- but not because I didn't copy the responses, apparently there weren't that many (at least in the first third of the PDF).

Not sure why CU deleted the thread. If someone violated TOS, usually mods will just lock a thread so that the information isn't lost (at least that's what you would HOPE they would do).

Another reason to save critical threads periodically as you never know if a thread will get deleted or a site goes down.

 

That's how they roll over there. I put at least 20 hours of research into their claim of a 1942 "high relief" experimental cent (that wasn't) and the thread probably got to 18 pages. They first set it so new posts wouldn't put the thread on top, and then poofed the whole thing, all that research and commentary gone. When I called them out on it, they banned me. I don't recall how long that Omega Man thread went on but I recall there were lots and lots of relevant replies. Was there something in there that embarrassed them, like authenticating the fakes? Yes, all that stuff in the pdf is from TTTT.

 

Totally unprofessional on their part, KB. Locking a thread is one thing...deleting it shows no respect for their forum members. Some of these threads have invaluable and irreplaceable comments, as many participants haven't posted or written about the items elsewhere. Or they've passed on.

As far as you can tell (assuming you've looked at my PDF)....does it have all the comments and posts you recall ? As I said, so far it seem largely to be TTTT's comments but I am only 1/3rd through it. I am sure I just copied the entire thread as it existed as of November 2020, no way I would have only cut-and-pasted his posts.

 

It's clearly only TTTT's posts. You can see where he's replying to specific people (Insider2 is that you?) but their posts are not there. It's also clear (to me at least) that he's massively psychotic.

For example - "For the doubters, I was going to retire at the end of 2017. Since, I was medically consulted by Donald Trump while he lived in Tucson in 1990 and dated Marla's best friend Kimme, I decided to write our President a letter and volunteered myself to help make our country great again. I will officially start my job on Monday with the Dept of Justice and will be going to Glynco to become a Federal Law Enforcement Officer soon thereafter. My position is not symbolic or voluntary, I will be paid,"

Wait, I thought he was a doctor? Now he's law enforcement? He's dug up all kinds of trivia about the mob, Tucson, mint processes, the Omega coins, etc, and weaved them into an astoundingly complex world that he's somehow a part of and has personal knowledge of. I've known a couple people like this in the past. It's amazing the complexity of actual facts, pseudo-facts, and "personal" stories they can assemble in their brains into some kind of coherent "truth" and you can get sucked in, but it's all nonsense.

 

Upon closer reflection, I agree. But I'm not sure why only TTTT's posts are there...no way I would have jumped around, I would have just saved the entire thread. Maybe I have that stored elsewhere, will look around.

Would be a much easier -- albeit longer -- read with the other posters' comments.

 

I'm reading some other Omega Threads @ CU.....I can see why Inside wanted the original thread with links, how I only apparently got TTTT's comments I have no freakin' idea.