California Territorial Gold - Beginner collector

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  1. larssten

    larssten Well-Known Member

    Agree! Books are also much cheaper than to get burned on a fake coin. These few coins here are just a little start and i will definitively pick up on your advice for any further larger purchases :)
     
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  3. larssten

    larssten Well-Known Member

    Thanks for your reply - a great piece you have. I share your motivation for collecting and am also fascinated by the history of California. Also remember reading Carl Barks comics and Don Rosas Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck being a kid which also covers the gold rush.

    The coins were purchased at WAGO 125 and came from Kunker 352. Just pure luck that the latter sale had a single owner provenance way back to pre-1960s.
    To me, knowing the previous collector(s), this information gives a lot of added value. Also hope that this provenance gives a smaller probability of any of the pieces being fake.

    Here is the Kunker catalog: https://issuu.com/kuenkercoins/docs/kuenker352

    Here is the collector profile of Hermann Schwarz - coins probably purchased early 1929 or between 1951-1958.

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  5. Steve Shupe

    Steve Shupe Active Member

    I have both of those books as well, but they really don't cover the Fractional gold pieces. However, both are interesting to read. You will enjoy the Bower's book.
     
  6. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    Could be the same, idk for sure. Here's a pic of the flip that I originally got with mine with the Breen-Gillio number! :) Along with my second gold token that's in a coin bezel! If I were you, I would take that 5th one along with the others pictured to someone with an XRF spectrometer and have them tested for gold content. The only one I think is legit is the 5th pic but I've been wrong before. good luck! :D


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  7. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    True, as long as you don't pay too much money! :D Here's one of the auction books I was telling you about. I had an opportunity to do a little research on your tokens and this is what I'm thinking. All are charms except the 5th one which may be the same as mine, either way, that is the only one that should get a Breen-Gillio number. The thing about charms is many are made of gilt only, that doesn't mean they're not worth money as some people collect them, idk why but they do. If you look at ebay now and then you'll see some gilt tokens being sold, even right now check out the link and the pic below! :) good luck!

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/304172257854?hash=item46d214523e:g:vdYAAOSwEDZheiOy

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  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    You should also probably be aware of something else. A provenance of coming from a well known collection/collector can't really be used as an indicator of the coins being genuine, especially with Cal gold. I say this because a great many collectors would also quite intentionally collect the fakes and counterfeits - knowing full well that they were fakes or counterfeits.

    And when famous or well known collections are sold many who buy the coins only buy them because the coins were from that collection. And they don't care if they are genuine or not, they only care about who the previous owner was.

    So make sure you keep that in mind, unless you too don't care if the coins are genuine or not.
     
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  9. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    As mentioned the Breen/Gallio book is the standard reference for the series. It is out of print, hard to find, and expensive. But you can download a digital PDF version for free on the Newman Numismatic Portal
    https://nnp.wustl.edu/library/book/587202

    Opps as Corgi points out, it is not the whole book. Should have checked before posting.
     
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  10. CoinCorgi

    CoinCorgi Tell your dog I said hi!

    That's just an excerpt, but thanks for the link.
     
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