I was not talking about the gold market per say, I was talking about selling bullions for premiums as MS70s and Proof Likes. Which there is apparently a market for, be it small a majority but big money.
The market sets the price of graded ones, if they don't sell or sell fast enough eventually the price gets lowered. They are very popular and theres a huge market for them so that usually doesnt happen unless theyre priced aggressively from the start.
First of all, the primary advice I have forever and always given collectors is - collect what you like, there is no right or wrong to it. It is, always has been, and always will be a chocolate and vanilla thing. And if someone likes to collect bullion coins - more power to ya ! But when it comes to buying bullion coins I'd have to ask a question. Does it make much sense to buy bullion coins in a 70 slab and pay a premium for them, when any day of the week you can buy one just like it, and every bit as nice, that isn't in a slab, without paying that premium ? As for the supposed value the 70 slab ads, take a bullion coin in one of those slabs to a 100 different coin dealers and see what they will offer you for that coin. The odds are beyond strong that a large percentage of them will tell you they don't even want the coin. And those who are willing to buy it, well they are going to offer a price somewhere around 10%, give or take a few percentage points, less than spot price - bullion value in other words. And if you don't like coin dealers offer the coin in a 70 slab to 100 different collectors. And you're gonna get basically the same response from them, and in the same numbers, that you got from the coin dealers. Now that's what actually happens, and it has been proved to happen time after time after time. But by all means, don't believe me, try it yourself and see for yourself.
Like I said those same dealers will be more than happy to sell it as a premium and hype up the 70 when they arent the buyers. All one has to do is look at GC, Heritage, David Lawrance, eBay etc they sell all day long all the time for a premium. This is what actually happens Take any coin to 100 dealers and see just how absurdly low many of them will be. Selling directly to a dealer is often the worse way for a collector to sell something. Aside from covid one of the biggest reasons why the online market has exploded is that people got sick of getting one story selling and another buying. This is especially true for younger collectors and collectors that dont fit the general demographic as to many will think they can take advantage of that situation. There are good dealers out there, but being a dealer even a national one or writing a book doesnt make someone a good dealer. I've been lied to by a "series" expert who has written books before for not being in the typical demographic all it did was cost him two customers as my friend got told something completely different when I suspected they were full of it. The simple fact is it doesnt matter what dealers would offer you at show or what collectors on a forum would say. There is a very real, very vibrant market place for these at numerous auction houses that sell constantly for premiums as 70s all the time. If someone doesnt want them or like them thats fine, but the market cannot be denied
I really appreciate both of your opinions and advice. It was a little challenging to drag it outta you guys, but now I really understand. I feel like I just advanced to next level. I have been training my eye to coin grades but still had lots of questions. I knew the basics but when I watched a James (Jimmy) A. Hayes interview in which he elaborates on the 1796 dime from the Empire sale in 1967, it put grading into a whole new perspective for me. I feel I have had the same experience in this thread. It is difficult to describe. I can read all the books I want but would never get to experience that moment of truthful emotion. Thanks. Really... I couldn't have asked for a better two opinions.
I agree with you 100% that there are a great many dealers who will sell them ! But the simple fact, and it is a fact, that none of them will BUY the coins for any premium at all over bullion value - well, that should speak volumes ! Of course, one would first have to listen to what it is telling you.
It speaks nothing and yes there are dealers that would saying none is obviously an exaggeration. The simple fact is that they CONSISTENTLY sell for premiums at auction houses every day/week, that should speak volumes
Try selling other coins to dealers including CAC ones, they're basically in the business of trying to talk down the value of what you're selling them especially if you dont have some long standing relationship with them
I hope were still talking about bullion dealers. I still have allot of questions... is worth opening an account with a bullion dealer or would 3rd party be better for smaller purchases... what associated costs should I be aware of... what would a tenth oz buy you in a hyper inflated market...would paper gold still be required for a truly diversified portfolio...