1884 Morgan Die Clash?

Can anyone help with this. It looks like a die clash on the reverse located on the inside of the top right (facing) of the wreath. It appears to be the outline of where Miss Liberty's Phrygian cap meets the hair ribbon. I can not find this listed on the VAM World website. I find it hard to believe I'm the first or only one to find this which makes me disbelieve that it's a die clash. Comments?

 

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Hey there . Let's match it up , Okay ?

 

Thanks for the overlay Sal. It looks like the back of neck as I described. Thoughts?

 

Looks like it to me nice find,that is a well known one.

 

It would have to have letter transfer to be a listed VAM.

Beyond that throw it up against VAM-8B. The position of the cap clash looks like a match as well as the position of the nose clash line off the left wreath along with the neck line clash from the eagle's right wing to the n.

And first and foremost the date position matches...

 

Where can I find more information? I didn't see anything on maddie.com or Vam World.

 

I found a match for 1886 but not for 1884.

 

VAM-8B shows a clash on the obverse, my clash is on the reverse.

 

There are some minor clashes on the obverse of your coin and the date position looks correct. Sometimes even though you can see a clash somewhere,the VAM can be because of something else on the other side of the coin.
Vam's are the study of die pairs (marriages) and their stage of lifecycle, eg. early, mid and late die stage. The anomalies listed such as letter transfers, clash marks, die cracks and breaks are generally die markers to match your coin to the die pair and stage. Date and mintmark (if any) are the first things to verify. Vam's are not primarily there to identify varieties and errors.

 

Sure looks like one but I’m not a follower of VAM’s.

 

Are you certain about this?

 

Neither am I Collecting Nut but unlike you I do not have enough experience to make an opinion. Sorry Dynoking, good luck!

 

Thank you for the clarification.

 

For the clash event, yes. Letter transfer is a requirement to be a sub-listing of a parent VAM. The only clashed Morgans that are listed as clashed without letter transfer are the honorable mentions for some issues when sorted by clashed dies(with letter transfer). They are listed under "Clashed die without letter transfer" as honorable mentions. 1884 has no honorable mentions.
The only VAM that falls in a gray area that I know of is the 1889 VAM-31 that has a clashed reverse die paired with an unclashed obverse die. There is no letter transfer but the reverse clash most likely caused a G clash obverse. It is noted in the listing and none are known to exist with the G clash obverse.

If you are aware of one please let us all know.

 

I guess you are correct. I am easy.
To the OP: The posted piece is a VAM.

 

Back to the drawing board for me.

 

Dynoking,
First, I do not claim to be an expert but I have been collecting Morgan's since the '80's and have over 200 coins, many graded. That said, it is a clash from Liberty's neck. In my experience it is fairly common and hasn't added value to my collection. I went through my raw coins and several of the graded ones, I have examples of the same/similar clash on:
1880-O, 1881-O, 1882-CC, 1883-O, 1883-CC, 1884-O and 1889.

 

Yes. A VAM.

The OP did not ask about or mention value, and while it may not add value (and that is somewhat objective) it does not discount the piece as a VAM. I would not mind having the OP coin (I have my reasons) and I think many hobbyists would think the same.

 

Looks like you got a couple going there, good peepers.

 

And your point is?