Another eBay Nightmare Story!

hamman88 · Dec 24, 2007

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Still not a proof, tho.
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How do we know? They were all destroyed.

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Jim M · Dec 24, 2007

Jumping in late here. Frank, hold your ground on this one. Its obvious that this is NOT the same coin. I had something similar happen to me a while back. I was selling Adams errors and this guy says that its not what is in the picture. I pride myself in taking and making sure the picture matches the auction, but accidents do happen. I told this person to send me the coin back and I would refund every cent he paid. I got back a Washington Smoothie. I emailed him and he said he wondered what happened to that coin it was supposed to go back to another ebay seller. DOH... I sent him the damaged Washington back and life was good. We actually still email back and forth once in a while now and talk about finds. New cyber friend.

This one of yours is blatant from what I have read here. He had something that sold for more than he thought it should of so he had it checked out and found that he had made a serious error. (PUN)

Good eye on that auction Frank, keep up the good work and like I said, stick with this one.

Phoenix21 · Dec 24, 2007

Man, can't believe I missed this one. Ebay is just becoming bad news. Sure, there are a lot of good sellers, but it is turning out there are more bad than good. I am sorry to hear you never recieved it Frank, I was getting excited for you when you told me about it. But, atleast you still have the photos, and if the coin ever went up for sale again, then the error community can be warned about him. Real sad this had to happen around Christmas also, but atleast you will hopefully get this straitened out. If it was me, I probably would more push for the coin than the refund, but I don't know how you could really at this point. Merry Christmas, and best of luck getting this straitened out. :thumb:

Phoenix

Arizona Jack · Dec 24, 2007

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Jack,

I just talked to a PayPal Representative and he informed me that this is not the case and not what the Seller believes! He stated that once the funds clear the Sellers Bank, they will be deposited in my PayPal Account and only after that happens, they (PayPal) will instruct me on what the next step will be concerning the coin. The Representative stressed very strongly, that I would do nothing with the coin until instructed by them!

I noted to the Representative that I knew of someone else (meaning you) that did not receive the coin that you purchased from the same Seller and that I had advised you to file a Dispute with PayPal against this Seller. He agreed strongly as this Seller has had a history in the past of the same thing and although he is a Power Seller, they can't insure that his schemes will stop unless everyone that is duped by him, files a Dispute. From the conversation with the PayPal Representative, I got the impression that this Seller is on the brink of having actual Charges filed against him!

Frank
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If this is the case, I'll file also. Thanks for the heads up and the legwork on this one. Seller has a history and nobody knew because everybody did what I did, put head in the sand. Right on......lets get this handled the responsible way. I'm with ya.

huntsman53 · Dec 28, 2007

Hey Coin Talk Folks,

I received my refund back to my PayPal Account from the Seller that switched the coin on me and the PayPal Dispute was closed. I weighed heavily the consequences of filing Negative Feedback against him but did so as I believe that it was deserved by him. Besides, I think that other eBayers need to know what this guy is about! If he retaliates by filing Negative Feedback against me, then I will deal with it through eBay's Dispute Console. My worry is that he will probably behave himself for sometime and when the Negative Feedback gets buried in pages and pages and pages of Feedback, he will start his old habits all over again! I will be watching his' Auctions with an Eagle's eye for some time.

Frank

ACW · Dec 29, 2007

Glad everything worked out for you Frank. This is exactly why I am reluctant to buy coins from ebay or online altogether.

mark_h · Dec 29, 2007

Sorry about your troubles Frank and glad you got your money back. But I was watching that auction and almost bid myself. I still wish there was a way (and I do not mean by using the search features) to put in a list of sellers whose auctions I never want to see - period. Then ebay could search on this list of blocked sellers - maybe if enough people blocked auctions E-bay would do something. Oh well!

rotobeast · Dec 29, 2007

Glad to hear it all worked out, Frank.

huntsman53 · Dec 29, 2007

I filed Negative Feedback against the Seller for the transaction and as expected, he filed Negative Feedback against me in retaliation! I am currently trying to get eBay to remove the Negative feedback against me but don't hold much hope! I pretty much laid out exactly what happened with the transaction from beginning to end, so they have enough proof to go by. If they want more, then I have it! I have the pictures from the Auction, pictures of the coin that I received, pictures of the package the coin came in and I have two witnesses (the Postal Clerk and the U.S. Postmaster) that will sign statements.

Frank

sueb · Feb 3, 2010

That really stinks, I clicked on the link and they removed it so that it may not be viewed. Good luck!

green18 · Feb 3, 2010

sueb said: ↑

That really stinks, I clicked on the link and they removed it so that it may not be viewed. Good luck!
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This thread is over two years old........

sueb · Feb 3, 2010

Sorry, I didn't even look at the date, I'm a newbie and I was just browsing while I was hoping someone was responding to my post.
Sue

green18 · Feb 3, 2010

sueb said: ↑

Sorry, I didn't even look at the date, I'm a newbie and I was just browsing while I was hoping someone was responding to my post.
Sue
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Perhaps a new tack? Welcome to the forum Sue.....

mpcusa · Feb 3, 2010

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Well folks, my wonderful eBay experiences of late, just continue to get better and better! NOT!!!!!!!!!!!:desk:
I feel like I am in the Star Trek Movie, the "Undiscovered Country" where the Klingons are about the fire on the Enterprise and Mr. Zulu keeps asking, "Shiields Captain....Shields Captain"! I sure could have used those Shields over the past two and a half weeks of selling on eBay and one win and purchase on eBay! Not to bore you any further, I will get the my latest woes that is currently in a Dispute Mode through PayPal and which may escalate to a Claim Mode and may eventually involve much more.

On 12/10/07, I bid on and won what I believe is a new 1955-P "Doubled Die Variety" Lincoln Cent on eBay that was listed as a Poorman's Double Die! The link below is to the eBay Auction and the pictures clearly show that this is either a new Doubled Die Variety or an unknown Die Stage of the DDO #2. I can also provide pictures that I copied from the Auction and edited to crop out any un-needed background as well as separated the images in picture #1 of the Auction! I have attached a few pictures of the coin that I received and you can clearly see that it is not the coin that I won in the Auction and which I paid for on 12/11/07.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=280181877091&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=018

Due to the price that the bidding went up to and which I paid for the coin, the eBay Seller apparently realized that the coin was/is special and decided to do a switch-a-roo and send me another 1955-P "Poorman's Double Die" Lincoln Cent that he or someone else had manipulated (intentionally damaged) in an attempt to defraud me of the item that I had won and paid for. I knew that something up with the transaction when I had not received the coin on Monday and after sending the a second email to the Seller inquiring as to whether the coin had been shipped yet and I received a notice from PayPal that the Seller had just purchased the shipping label to ship the coin a full week after the Auction ended and 6 days since I had paid for the coin. Well, I waited a couple more days and when it had not arrived on Wenesday, I emailed the Seller again. Other than the automatic notice from PayPal, I never received any correspondence from the Seller. It must have taken the Seller the entire time period of the delay in shipping to locate a 1955-P "Poorman's Double Die" that was close in appearance to the one that I won and paid for and with some ingenuous manipulation (damaging the coin and adding spotting with what composition, I have no idea), made the coin appear close to the one that I won and purchased but without the Doubled Die doubling.

The following copied emails give some more information on the story and the Seller's decision that he would refund my money if I return the coin that he sent me. However, after consulting with eBay online and PayPal over the phone, I filed a Dispute upon their recommendation. If the Seller does not refund my money, then this will escalalate to a Claim and PayPal will then have me send the coin that I received from the Seller, so that it can be examined by an Expert Investigator and the results may cause Charges to be filed. Please forgive he tone of my emails to the Seller but I was steaming at the time, fire and brimstone was about to burst forth from my eyes and nostrils and I had to vent!

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The following is a copy of the first message I sent to the Seller (xxxxxxxxxxx) via eBay's email system after receiving the coin:

Dear xxxxxxxxxxx,

Mr. Shelton,

I received the coin today but it is clearly not the 1955-P Cent that I won on 12/10/07 & paid for via PayPal on 12/11/07! I work for the U.S. Dept. for Commerce & did not fall off the Turnip Truck yesterday! I copied the pictures of the coin from the Auction listing, had prints made at Wal-Mart & took both the prints & the unopened package containing the coin to the local Post Office in Jefferson City. I had the Postal Clerk open the package & he and the PostMaster both verified that the coin received was not the coin in the pictures & which I won on eBay on 12/10/07. The Clerk and the PostMaster both will sign statements as witnesses & testify if need be, that the coin received is clearly not the one in the pictures & is not the coin I won in the Auction. You have 2 choices to rectify this situation! 1) Either send me the coin that I actually won on eBay, or 2) Refund all of my money including the shipping, Insurance & Delivery Confirmation costs.

Frank E. Ferrell

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The following is a copy of the first reply I received from the Seller (xxxxxxxxxxx):

Dear xxxxxxxxxxxxxx,

Hi,

I sent the coin that I pictured. Please read the auction. I used a 20X magnification. I pride myself in my dealings. I did say no returns in advance of the auction. I would not question your sending the same coin I sent back to me. I do offer 100% satisfaction. If you would like to return the item please do so. I will refund you in full less the insurance fee, as that was optional. This is my offer to you, nothing more, nothing less. I am going to be out of state until December 30, I can continue to deal with thes matter on my return. In the mean time, please have a pleasant holiday!

- xxxxxxxxxxx

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The following is a copy of my reply (second message) to the Seller:

Dear xxxxxxxxxxx,

Mr. Shelton,

You clearly did not send the coin pictured in the Auction & I have the proof & witnesses to prove it! It matters not whether the pictures were 20x magnification or 10x magnification, the coin that I received is not the coin I won on 12/10/07 & paid for on 12/11/07. The coin that I received is what is sometimes called a 1955-P "Poorman's Doubled Die" Lincoln Cent that has had the "1" in the Date intentionally damaged to make it appear that it is the coin that I won in the Auction but is not the same coin that I won. This constitutes fraud & will be dealt with swiftly unless you rectify the situation & fulfill either choice (Number 1 or Number 2) in my previous email. I fully intend to return this coin to you but not until I am guaranteed that you are willing to rectify the situation. If you are unwilling to rectify the situation, then I will bring everything at my disposal to see that you are brought to justice on this fraud & that I get the satisfaction that I am due!

Respectfully...Frank E. Ferrell

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The following is a copy of the second reply that I received from the Seller:

Dear xxxxxxxxxxxxxx,

Sir,

As stated in my previous email, I am offering you 100% satisfaction guarentee. RETURN IT and I will refund you as I stated in my previous email. And the auction does say poor mand double die. Now I am not going to argue with you over any of the circumstances. I have offered you your refund, and have told you I am going to be away until Dec 30. When I return, and have the coin I will refund it back to your paypal account. IT is very simple matter, you return I refund.... Now as I said before, nothing more nothing less, this is what I have to offer as I pride myself in customer satisfaction. Look at my feedback, I have near 1000 positives, and I am a powerseller. My feedback does speak for itself, your not dealing with a con, or someone who wants someone to be unhappy. I thought that this would happen as I paid 20 bucks for that coin, and I did not understand why it sold for that much. So, in saying all of this, I hope you can settle in peace of mind that I am offering you option 2. Thank you and have a pleasant holiday. PS, I will not have access to a computer to check my ebay messages for at least 3 days as I am traveling, so in the mean time, please sit tight, I will get abck to you when I have access again if you should need anything else. Thanks again.

- xxxxxxxxxxx

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The following is a copy of my reply (third message) I sent to the Seller:

Mr. Shelton,

I will return the coin per your offer! However, in all decency, you should refund all of my money including the shipping, Insurance and Delivery Confirmation costs as the coin I received is not the coin I won and paid for! Why should I be out the shipping, Insurance and Delivery Confirmation costs for an item that I clearly did not win and pay for?!

I am sure that you suddenly realized that the coin was apparently not just a 1955-P "Poorman's Double Die" Lincoln Cent due to the final bid price on the coin! There were many other folks (bidders) besides myself that knew this to be the case from the pictures, thus the high final bid price. I fully expected that you would be honorable and that I would receive the coin pictured in the Auction but since this is not the case, I have notified folks in the Error Coin Community about this situation. Good luck on selling the coin to anyone else because now that they are aware of the situation, they will more than likely decline any offer to purchase the coin and will refuse to attribute the coin whatsoever!

I will ship the coin that I received back to you tomorrow but will be taking detailed pictures of the coin for any further litigation that may be needed in case if you do not comply with my request and your offer!

Respectfully...Frank E. Ferrell

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As this Seller is apparently out of town as he stated (if that was the truth) or just taking time to weigh his options and course, I will let you all know of the outcome of this matter, if and when it is settled or excalates.

Frank
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They are way to common:headbang:

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