2000-P SAC $ WITH 3 DIE CRACKS AND USA DOUBLED

ok, here is an au-58, so you are saying my coin looks like this???

 

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Those photos show a better grade coin than you posted before. What they don't show is the surface contact that your previous photos show. You have the coin in hand and photos can be deceiving.

 

it is the same coin....

 

i have been grading coins since 1976..i believe i grade conservateively, sometimes i might be wrong a point or two, and if you resubmit coins several times to same tpg, they can be in that range as well, i am by no means an expert, but have made many many sales, back 40 years ago i sold coins full time..not that many dis-AGREEMENTS, THOSE THAT DID, DID NOT BUY(SIMPLE)..ANYWAYS...COINS LOOKS A LOT BETTER THAN PHOTOS SHOW.....Thanks for all your opinions...but to say my coin looks like the au-58 pcgs shows, ptptptpth

 

Never said it was a different coin. I just said photos can be deceiving.

 

did not say was a ddr, just doubling...

 

Thanks for sharing.

 

In 50 + years of collecting and years on the chat boards, I can't recall anyone using the single word "doubling" to refer to anything other true die doubling. When talking about MD or DDD, either the qualifier Mechanical/machine/strike or die deterioration has been used, or sometimes lumped under the terms worthless doubling or non-value added doubling

That's why members are telling you there's no doubling. There isn't. When you start substituting new meanings into established nomenclature, don't assume everyone understands.

 

oh, like clip for incomplete planchet, or laminate for retained laminate, this whole hobby is full of contradictions, it is not "worthless" doubling, as usa coinbook, and several other sites and as well as ebay they sell there, i did not say doubled die, all i said was "doubling" did not know if machine or die deterioration so just left it at that, and someone who knows better than i would say what it is....it is still an error in my book, although not a "valuable" one, but people still buy them, the same as mad dies, those are called "worthless" yet i have seen a dozen slabs labeled "mad " die going for 50-200.00 if on a morgan or type coin...i did not come on here to pick a fight, just sharing a coin with others who might wish to see as well..i do like most of the people on here, but those that troll for grammar and any little mistake to tear someone down is pointless... in my book... and for the record...my "mistake" was already correcte4d by several people without having the tone you are implying. If you do not like what i poste3d, ignore it..as i do with ancients, and people posting junk coins repeatedly and asking the value, i did not do any such thing, i posted for the enjoyment of others, not to pick a fight..good night have a nice =one!

 

also, i have been involved with coins over44 years, i never before collected errors, just regular coins, bought and sold, collected, got out of it for 30 years, just recently about a year and half ago got into collecting errors, so i am still learning..god for bid i make a mistake listing what i have..so sorry!!!

 

Just sayin, it takes two to tango. You have stepped away from numismatics for 30 years, not that an old dog forgets anything, just that you have missed out on the past 29 years. Thats almost the whole internet age.

Most all of us are just trying to help you get your bearings, get back into the fun.

Some of the best numismatists and knowledgeable collectors I know, you are having a problem with. I also know that as a collective they have a good plenty more than 100 plus years, Specializing in Errors, variety's, and die stages. You have a year into this specialized area of numismatics. Give yourself a little bit of credit, but don't think that this is a field you can learn overnight.

Like I said we like good conversation, and are only here to help, and learn from others.

 

Just explaining why I felt people were telling you there was no doubling.

I agree that some of the nomenclature doesn't make sense (lamination/delamination for example). I prefer using the term debris filled die, but try to include grease filled in parentheses to clarify for others. If you want to change the names, that's your prerogative, but just understand that if you don't explain it, people will correct you. Responses like "did not say was a ddr, just doubling" doesn't indicate you know the difference, even though you obviously do.

Take my comments however you want, but I was just trying to help. Feel free to place me on ignore if you don't like them

 

i do not have a problem with anybody on here..like i said i am learning, i never collected errors back in the 70's, heck back then those coins were in junk bins and sold as bloopers or scrapped, lol..they fascinate me and i like to collect them, show them to others who also might enjoy to see them, as i enjoy other's posts..grading is an opinion, ask pcgs for a grade, pop it out send it in again, another grade, humans perceive things in different ways from one another, i agreed that the coin is not a 68, but it sureluy is not an au-59, or a 64, look at the comparison pics i posted from pcgs own site??, and there is doubling on the coin, i never said it was die doubling, there are many types of doubling, i did not even ask to classify it, if someone wants to correct it and say machine, or die deterioration, fine, but no need to jump alll over me for it, that is all i am saying, this is supposed to be a fun place, as wella s a place to learn....i have learned quite alot the past year from paddy and mr weinberg,, sometimes i will ask if i do not know, but in this case i did not, nor did i state doubled die...and doubled die is not an error anyways but a variety, like die cracks, but they are lumped nder errrors and even in their listings (coin help you and others list strike doubling as one of a kind of error, although not a major one, but some people like them and they are errors, they are leaving the mint in a way not intended to be...and i am not the only one that finds them interesting....i am not forcing anyone to like them,,,just pointing out the fact that it was doubled, i figured it was not a valuable contribution, but i, myself like the coin for that..i bought it for the die cracks and the high grade...

 

this was in response to a member, i hit ignore, and his post went away so now it is sort of out of context, those comments were meant for him, but i am not here to argue, just stating my opinion

 

(he had stated that never ever in his lifetime (50 yrs) of coin collecting has anyone ever said doubling and not meant die doubling, i am the only one who ever called it that, which i did not...gheesh feel like i am beating a herd of dead horses and on the defensive, wish i could jus take this post down and stop the nonsense

 

Maybe, stop typing like you are on the defensive, we get your point.
Your not a rookie, But you have a lot to learn about the advances in numismatics that happened in the last 30 years, Proper nomenclature, terms, definitions and people to help you make good decisions, study before you buy, and never get caught in a bidding war unless it is still under your top bid.

 

my father taught me that you never stop learning...he also taught me that whatever you want to do, or hobby, or whatever, read and study all you can, i spend a few hours a day reading about errors, and searching for new conquests..i have byers new book...i actually just acquired a library of over 50 10-80 year old numismatic reference books a few months ago from a friend of mine who has a junk shop.... what really hurts is seeing 64 kennedy's and quarters and other commons i sold for melt 30 years ago are now bringing 3 digit prices, lol

 

Strike Doubling – Push Doubling – Machine Damage Mint Error

https://coinauctionshelp.com/strike-doubling-machine-damage/

still says: "error" although slight...as in not intended to be that way...juss sayin

 

This is what John Wexler has to say about them. Mr Wexler was responsible for attributing new doubled dies and other varieties for CONECA For years and is one of the premier experts in the hobby. He has this information under a tab entitled Worthless Doubling.

[bolded emphasis mine]
Unfortunately these other forms of doubling are quite common and basically worthless to serious collectors of die varieties with doubling such as doubled dies. Most serious collectors of doubled dies view these other forms of doubling as a type of damage to the coin rather than a collectible form of doubling. As such, there is no extra value assigned to coins that feature these common forms of doubling

There is nothing wrong with collecting coins like this. Just remember that most error specialists DO NOT consider them errors. My guess is that most of the coins sold on eBay are to newer collectors who may not know the difference between true doubled dies and worthless doubling