Boy this was alot of fun!! But i think it was very informative to and Will really make you think before you buy another note, Is it real Or not?? With all of the counterfeit items coming out of china and Abroad you dont want to flush your hard earned dollars down the Drain on something that isnt the genuine article! Now on to the test! Did you get it right? First on the: Series 691 $1 (This was identified as a copy 60% of the time) Series 521 $5 (This was identified as a copy 5% of the time) Series 681 $20 (This was identified as a copy 45% of the time) I think the above results prove the need for TPG, If not for grade Then atleast for Authentication because all 3 were copies!! The $1 and $5 were one sided copies and the $20 was two sided as You will see in the scans. The one that really stood out here is the Series 521 $5 which was Picked out as genuine 95% of the time!!! thats amazing, The reason That was most pointed out that it looked circulated and it does, But Just because it does, doesnt make it so, Good lesson there!! On the other two, I think most people that chose those were just Guessing, I would of like to seen more complete answers you no Like you were in school the teacher asked a question do you think This answer is right or wrong and then said explain why! In conclusion, I think we can see the need for Authentication and If grade comes along with it thats just a bonus, For me atleast Iam totally TPG, Some may think this is a waste of money but I think the results we see here speak for themself. Thanks for taking the test!!
I had a pretty good feeling this was the case I didn't want to say why because it was not definitive and I didn't want to sway the opinions. I did not see security discs in any of the examples. The issue with that is some copies have painted discs that look real from a photograph but can be identified as such in hand. If you had used an example with painted discs I would have had a harder time identifying them as copies. Thanks for the great post!
Hi,The Trade Dollar's coming out of China are so good that they even weight correctly,so many of the older holders w/ trade Dollars are counterfeit & have been resold many times buy dealers. If your going to buy Trade Dollars only buy new holders from PCGS/NGS/ICG/ANACS to be sure of authenticity. China sending us poison toothpaste/pet food/ toys painted with lead /drugs/currency/coins (what's next ?) & they hold the most treasury bills of any nation over our head,we've sold our souls to the devil. What happened to "Made in the U.S.A. ?
At the club tonight I pick up this set of four 1988A G7 $1.00 with a signed over signature by the treasurer "Villalpando" . You can see the picture of it in my album. -O)
In the original post you provided only one side of the note. I did not have time to compare all of the features of the notes for that side only to real notes. For me to understand the reason for this test you would have to outline (based solely on the side you posted) why they are fakes? I mean I assumed from the one side you posted you would show detailed design reasons for them being fake. So far all I gathered was to flip the note over and look for the word copy(or a blank side). I know I could scan a $20 bill and ask if it is fake - and the only way you could tell was if you had the fake scan in hand. Maybe I missed something on this test - because I do not see a reason for a tpg based off this test. Not saying there is not a reason for a tpg - just not because of this test. I know if I actively bought notes I would use them since I am not a note expert. Maybe I am out of line since I am not a big note collector(only what bills I find in change) but I was hoping design details could be highlighted to show me something to look for.
Hi Mark, I by far am no expert either so take that into consideration with my reply(s). Like I mentioned in my earlier post I looked for the security discs. I did not see them in any of the examples. Rusty had posted a recent real example of the 681 $1 that graded very high by pcgs. If you look at that example versus the one in this thread you will clearly see the discs at the bottom of the real example. I don't think I need a TPG to tell me if it is genuine or not if it is in hand. A high grade high denomination note bought by pictures only would be very risky unless you knew the seller and had confidence in their ability to tell the difference between real and fake. This write up is a great breif description of the security features. www.papermoneyworld.net/usmpc/mpc_central/development/script.htm I don't know if there is any design differences rusty can show besides what I pointed out. That is the problem, the fakes are very good. Like I mentioned above many fakes have the discs painted on making pictures of them look real too. Hope this helps. Best Regards ~ Darryl
What i wanted to point out here simply was to show how easily Something could be faked, As there are hundreds of notes just Like these that people buy everyday based on a picture and a Description that is often better then it is! Especially the $5 note that was picked 95% of the time and Appeared to be circulated, I think with out a doubt the results Prove the need for TPG for authentication and grade as well If you dont think so talk to the Chinese!!
Darryl, Congrats for the quick recognition on the unique counterfeiting Device used by the government! As they were not visible on any Of the notes i posted, But is this an indication of a genuine note?? I have pulled some notes out of my stock and analyzed them, Unfor Tunatley once the notes are put in to circulation "The colored disics Used to Authenticate disappear in a considered VF note, By the same Token i have several that have the color discs that are fakes see scans For a good example:high5:
The above note is a copy, But you can still see the colored discs that prove A copy can be represented as authentic!!
Rusty, thank you. I do believe I said as much in both of my posts. A circulated note that you can no longer see the discs in should not demand a high value so the risk is lower in most cases. Even then, in hand I believe I could make them out due to the added thickness and the amount of light that could pass through them. I agree and again have said as much that buying raw over the internet with only pictures to go by is risky with these. If I didn't know the seller, or the seller didn't have a very good reputation with a good return policy, I would not buy a high end, high dollar raw mpc. Your post helps to reinforce the issue with counterfitting. I don't know if I feel quite as strongly as I feel you do about the TPG's. For the majority of the buyers/sellers they can offer reassurance about the condition and authenticity. When it comes to a note that costs more than you are willing to lose on an incorrect assessment, then the fee is worth the time and trouble. Best Regards ~ Darryl
Hi Darryl, Thanks for your reply, I do need to point out one thing in regards To notes that are older and are not worth as much in maybe a VF condition, The problem with that is there are many Mpc,s That even in a VF condition are worth several hundred dollars though Note the rule, I thought i would mention it:secret:
