But according to, or if you prefer saying it this way, based on what grading standards ? That's the real question. When PCGS states flat out, and in writing, that coins with wear can be graded as high as MS67 - then just about anything can be graded as MS by PCGS. Even when it isn't ! In my mind, and it appears just about everybody else's mind as well, there's no denying that coin has wear on it. So you have to answer for yourself, does that mean the coin cannot be MS - or that it can be MS - regardless of what PCGS says ?
Interesting point. I actively try to grade like PCGS and NGC, though, since I’m a dealer. That’s just the way it is right now. Collectors increasingly want certified coins and CAC stickers on top of that. Being that I’m the only one who has seen and studied the coin in hand, and primarily seen the luster, I figured it was MS something. But as I openly admitted, the series is not my strong suit. We shall see. For the record, though, I think XF40 and XF45 are not even in the realm of possibility. Of that, I am confident.
I think there is a big difference Comparing your coin to post #15 I concur. I understand your thought process of trying to grade like PCGS/NGC, good luck with that.
I don't know about anyone else, but I certainly hope you update this with the results of the submission, I'd love to see what they do also.
After nearly 2 actual months, the grade posted last night. MS63. Worth the submission fee? Not in terms of value. But definitely in terms of education.
Hey ! At least it didn't grade AU . MS63 isn't bad or way off from what others thought . Thanks for sharing .
Which would you rather have Sal, and coin where anybody and everybody who knows coins looks at it says it's at best AU because it has obvious wear and therefore grades it AU, or the exact same coin in a piece of plastic that says it's MS63. When anybody and everybody who knows coins knows that grade is an out and out lie ?
that's interesting. Congrats for it being in MS. I seriously would of thought AU from the pictures, must of been the toning and it not reflecting that threw me off and tilted under light the luster is more pronounced. thanks for sharing.
What? I think you are way off, here. I suspect it may be because of a passing familiarity of the 32-34 series. That is not the point, though. Anybody and everybody that knows coins "grades" it an AU because of "obvious" wear, and anybody that knows coins knows that grade (63) is an out and out lie? Really, from a photo, and it s not the best photo in that regard, and is from oversized photos, instead of the piece in hand and viewed with a 5X? Quite a feat.
I thought you refrained from Guess the Grades because in your words it is impossible to grade from photos alone?
I think the grade it got just shows how important it is to have the coin in hand to correctly grade it.
Yeah, this is why I decided to hold back on the grade part,,,,, from being so critical on it after what it graded was announced. in hand I might have seen things differently. realistically, though theres' lower MS, and High AU and everything in between that happens. Most folks will say they have seen really nice AU coins, and really dog MS62 and MS63, just the way it goes and what is seen or not seen by the grader at the time. "Sliders" wouldn't be a thing if it didn't happen. I trust their judgement though, in the end it's an opinion, and a more valid one than mine, they had it in hand, I had these lovely pictures. Hahahaha
I am not certain it was him. It definitely was and is me and I have stated this many times on the Board. GDJMSP did not concur with my thoughts, as I recall. Is it possible this is what you are remembering?