1909 S VDB Population Figures

I'd be willing to bet the Trade dollars take a close second. I've reported those on ebay in the past.

 

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just curious, what source do you get that from? every book i've read on counterfeit coins lists the 1804 dollar as the #1.

 

Listen to Doug folks, he's tellin you right.

While many exist...many more are fake. RLM gave you the pop #'s which cannot be disputed, but none the less, it is not a rare coin. I have a thread on another board in which I counted 70 of them at one show in Cali last year.......... Charmy will back me on this

 

Mike, that coin was in Rick Snows inventory, I recognise it. Congrats on the grab, that is an exceptional example........

 

so what is the definition of a rare coin? i get that you have seen tons of them, but in the 16+ years (yeah, i know, that's not a long time) that i've been collecting, i've never seen one, except in a picture. according to the american heritage dictionary, rare is defined as "infrequently occurring; uncommon." so are you saying the 1909-s vdb is common?

 

In reality, they are common coins.

 

I think what Arizona Jack is saying is that, in terms of a coin being "rare," the 1909-S VDB cent is not a "rare" coin in the sense that only a dozen or so exist (like the 1804 silver dollar). However, in the scope of the Lincoln cent series and, indeed, in modern coin collecting, we all have to agree the 1909-S VDB cent IS a rare coin -- at least in the relative sense.

*Only 484,000 were ever made.
*The number of remaining '09-S VDBs is smaller today than when first made
*People have been gravitating toward this coin for over 100 years now
*The prices just keep going up in response to continued demand for a coin that has an extremely limited supply

I still say the 1909-S VDB cent IS a rare coin though, especially given the scope of twentieth century coins. :kewl:

 

I am very fond of the 1800 half dime, although my budget does not permit me to own many of them, and even those I own in very low grades. I have two, and am getting a third. The existing 1800 half dimes are much fewer in number than the existing 1909-S VDB cents, but the demand is also much less.

 

you are on the right track as far as I am concerned.

 

Stupid question and I am full of em. If this coin is not so rare, why is so sought after?

 

That's the point I was making a minute ago -- the demand for a coin like the 1909-S VDB is incredible and will remain so.

However, I admire your purchase of a coin like the 1800 half dime. With a mintage just a fraction of coins like the 1909-S VDB, I have to believe your inclined to see major returns should the series ever pick up greater interest.

 

Go to any major coin show, and you find many available for purchase. In that sense, it is not a rare coin. I would love to own one, but probably never will since there are so many other coin types I'd rather have first!

 

I will go back to the PCGS glossary;

They specifically reference "a rare Lincoln". If the S VDB does not qualify, the only thing that might would be the error/varieties.

 

Whoa folks, we need to re examine the meaning of RARE coins vs coins in demand......

The SVDB is a coin in demand, many other coins are " rare".....

Try to put together a set of bust dimes in any given grade, a set of Liberty Nickles in Proof.....many coins are more "rare" than the svdb

but, who collects them and who keeps the demand up.......

The 09-SVDB is not at all a rare coin, but the demand is there

I would think an XF-45 1921 Merc is MUCH more rare than a 1909-SVDB

I have been with RLM personally and bought5- 6-7-8 SVDB;s in a weekend, not at all a rare coin, but yes, very sellable and very much an " instant trader"......

 

Oh! They are out there. And, yes, you bought 5 (I think it was). But beyond that, we are talking semantics not numismatics. Again, PCGS says there is a rare Lincoln. If not the 1909-S VDB, which one is it?

 

Sounds like the coin dealers/coin collectors are just satisfying the demand of the 09 S VDB buyers, regardless if they are rare or not. Now I get it.

 

Well, I suppose if the 1909-S VDB "isn't rare," the 1922 plain, 1969-S doubled die, or 1990 no-S proof are "rare" (if we are talking about what Lincolns "are rare").

But let's look at it this way -- relatively few people putting together Lincoln cent sets ever truly go after buying the 69-S DD or 1990 no-S. The 1922 plain is not essential to building a complete set of regular-issue Lincoln cents. So it all comes back to the '09 S VDB being the rarest of all "regular-issue" Lincoln cents. Still though, the term "rare" in the case of the 09 is just a matter of relativity.

And, yes, while the issue of the '09 being rare or not may be debatable, the matter of its "demand" surely is not...

 

RLM and and I would agree on this point for sure, the rarest Lincoln of all would be the red 1926-S.......

Beyond that, there are many rare dates.............

Go find me a well struck 1923-S, a 24-d.....a good lookin 21-s

Those are the rare ones folks. SVDB is a folk legend, a great coin but not at all rare

 

Yes -- $190,000 in MS-67 Red according to Bowers' "A Guide Book of Lincoln Cents," published in 2008. I'm sure the 26-S goes for more today :bigeyes:

 

What you are saying is what I have said for a long time - there are many CONDITIONALLY rare Lincolns. The 26-S is anything but rare unless you want an uncirculated one. How many 23-S's would you like? I have several and most are even well struck, but I am lucky enough to have only one certified MS63 RB. I would be surprised if you found a better one by anyone on this site, but I will also bet you that most who are trying to put together a Lincoln set have a 23-S and likely a reasonable strike.