How to remove 'encrustation' from R.R. coin??

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  1. Antolon

    Antolon New Member

    I inserted few pictures to have your opinion

    thanks in advance
     

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  3. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    that's a weird coin. Something looks off, I wonder if it's authentic.

    If it is real, I don't know what really could be done. The globular encrustations appaer to be the same color, which often means that removal of them will absolutely destroy the patina and leave it pitted. Will stay tuned for other remarks
     
  4. Antolon

    Antolon New Member

    For me it was one of the characteristics of silver bromide those bubbles and I am not sure it is patina more a layer of Bromide. I am quite sure of authenticity though

    let s see what the others will say thanks for your comment
     
  5. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Is the coin silver? If so, then the method that @Topcat7 described, using sodium thiosulfate, at the top of this thread might be worth a try. I would be very interested in hearing what you decide to do and what your results are.
     
  6. Antolon

    Antolon New Member

    Yes silver
     
  7. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Well, sodium thiosulfate certainly won’t HURT anything. You usually can’t fall foul of thiosulfate.
     
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  8. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    It's good this thread was revived as I saw the term "horn silver" but never understood exactly what does it mean and how to get read of it.
    Would you say these 2 coins have horn silver too?

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  9. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    yes, certainly looks like it.
     
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  10. dltsrq

    dltsrq Grumpy Old Man

    If genuine, a denarius of Claudius is a rather rare coin. If you need to ask for advice, you probably shouldn't attempt to clean it yourself.
     
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  11. ambr0zie

    ambr0zie Dacian Taraboste

    I might give it a try with the thiosulfate, however I have no idea where to get this from.

    Is this destructive for the coin (on a long term basis) or just aesthetically unpleasant?
     
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  12. Antolon

    Antolon New Member

    do you know any specialist able to do it ?
     
  13. Antolon

    Antolon New Member

    you can get it on internet it is quite cheap
     
  14. Roerbakmix

    Roerbakmix Well-Known Member

    On holidays, so brief reply. Silver chlorides can be found in this granular form. In fact, I encounter them usually on coins of high silver content.

    You can indeed immerse the coin in sodium thiosulphate, following the instructions outlined above in one of my earlier posts. Sodium thiosulphate will not harm silver in any way; there is however a risk of pitted surfaces below the deposits. In my experience though, this type of deposits clean up quite nicely.
     
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  15. Roerbakmix

    Roerbakmix Well-Known Member

    Not sure if you mean my guide (since I mentioned creating a guide on horn silver removal)? It’s sort of finished, and it is available upon request per pm.

    In the past two years since this thread I’ve mainly cleaned high-end coins, both of my own collection as well for clients. I’ve posted a few threads on chemical conservation of coins - see my post history.
     
  16. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    I've just PM'ed you. I was curious about the Sasanian drachm that you said you were going to clean next. How did that turn out?
     
  17. Roerbakmix

    Roerbakmix Well-Known Member

    There appears to be some confusion. Topcat asked for help on his coins, and I provided the information. I did not clean his coins (at least, I don’t remember)
     
  18. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Oops. You're right. My mistake.
     
  19. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    what is this sodium thiosulphate? I’m gamiliar now with purchasing sodium sesquicarbonate and using it as a 5% solution, but I know nothing about the chemical you cite. Could you elaborate on it’s safety profile, forms, where it can be bought, how expensive, etc? I’d appreciate it. And also, please let me know if you create a guide, and how to obtain it. Thanks, Joe
     
  20. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    no downside here compared to the horror before. Very nice job!
     
  21. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    Here's the one I got:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/391427730454?hash=item5b22e92c16:g:lOQAAOSwjdFei9~W

    $7 a small jar.

    Na2S3O4 x 5H2O

    Whatever that means.
     
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