Vetranio issue, RIC 291 Sisc

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  1. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    2FDCFFAD-A556-4CE1-9DD3-C9523E436773.jpeg 73DE8618-A7CC-4771-96B2-FF51627BB39D.jpeg 32D36791-53B5-4C4A-9EAA-ACED8EF44BC8.jpeg A6B637F1-54A5-4B49-B8FC-B1C13CF0B63D.jpeg Hi, I got this coin for less than 60 or so. I clearly see the A in left field, mm dot ASIS star, so wildwinds gives me the attribution in title. However, my question has to do with pricing because aren’t these more common since the post on that site? It says $800 it sold in auction but it seems to good to be true. Your thoughts would be appreciated. I took the best pics i could with my old phone. Coin even matches description in wildwinds, ie near unc but also has nice silvering on obverse
     
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  3. philologus_1

    philologus_1 Supporter! Supporter

    Per the examples showing on ACS the most recently auctioned example of a RIC_291 sold in 2018. Its hammer price was $85. Here is that coin:
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    The 2nd most recent ACS example hammered at $130 in 2017. It is here:
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    There was an example sold for $800 in a Gemini auction way back in 2007. It is here:
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    BTW: I have a RIC 292 from Siscia which cites Vetranio as opposed to Constantius II:
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    VETRANIO (350). Centenionalis. Siscia. (4.92 gr. 23 mm.)
    Obv.: D N VETRANIO P F AVG; Laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right; A to left, star to right.
    Rev.: HOC SIGNO VICTOR ERIS / •ЄSIS✶; Vetranio standing left, holding spear and labarum with Christogram; to right, crowning Victory standing left; A to left.
    Attrib.: RIC 292
     
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  4. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    I appreciate it! So they’ve become more common since the highest quote I see. Makes sense, as hoards are found, etc. Not bad though for less than $50, right? Thanks again
     
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  5. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Vetranio issued six AE types and they were issued in his name and the name of Constantius II, and some for Constantius Gallus. Most would attribute the OP coin to Constantius II, not Vetranio (It is minted by Vetranio in the name of Constantius II). Coins of Constantius II are very common and coins of Vetranio are not, so this better type is much less expensive for Constantius II than for Vetranio.

    For more about AE coins of Vetranio, see
    http://augustuscoins.com/ed/vetranio/Vetranio.html

    Here is the type in the name of Vetranio.

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    Vetranio RIC Siscia 281 (A behind bust, mintmark <dot>BSIS* with A in left field)
    23 mm. 4.86 grams. 11:30.
     
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  6. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    Hello, yeah I’m very familiar with the info you cite since I researched that exact website today, took notes, and even sketched each unique design for quick, future reference. Very good info on that website, so I appreciate it tremendously if you were the author. If so, have you published any books? Just curious as i like to own physical copies over digital. Thanks, joe
     
  7. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Now THAT is a coin I'd like to own. I've been looking at less common Late Roman emperors and Vetranio is one that has piqued my interest.
    I love the beard as well as the HOC SIGNO...reverse with Victory crowning the emperor.
     
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  8. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    You did well OP. I have seen a hoard being dispersed in a couple of auction firms the last year or so. Therefore prices have come down, but hold onto them. I predict they will increase after this temporary pressure eases.

    Honestly, prices for later romans are surprising me. For really nice gVF/XF coins they are really going up.
     
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  9. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Yes, I am the author of that website. I, too, am a book lover and have the ancient-coin-book library to prove it. However, none of my coin websites are or will be in book form. Websites have the advantage that they can be updated easily and are freely available to all (which allowed you to find and use it!).
     
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  10. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    And it is a wonderful site!
    I just read (and re-read) your page on quarter follis from Siscia. Great info! Though I was a bit confused about the table referring to frequencies/rarities. I know it wasn't your info but the way they listed the rarity and the frequencies of the coins seemed to be opposite of what I'd expect. For example: Maximinus II Type 10 quarter follis only making up 5.5% of the coins checked having just an "R" rarity but the Maximian type 1 making up 24.5% yet having an "R2" rating.
     
  11. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    About quarter-folles. http://augustuscoins.com/ed/qf/

    The linked "frequency" page http://augustuscoins.com/ed/qf/frequency.html
    says about the given rarities and frequencies

    *The RIC rarities in column 2 are from RIC VI which was published in 1973. After the Iron Curtain came down in the 1990s, a flood of coins from the region of Siscia commenced and has not let up. The rarities of coins from that region have changed dramatically. These types, formerly "very rare" (R2) or "rare" (R, as listed in the table above) have mostly become only "rare" or "scarce" and some are now almost common, although there are still dozens of GENIO POPVLI ROMANI folles for every quarter follis."
     
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  12. joecoincollect

    joecoincollect Well-Known Member

    yes, for sure. But there’s something timeless, invaluable, and more pleasurable in my opinion to the book format. I’m currently working on a small, quickstart guide to US, world and ancient numismatics. A few neighborhood kids’ interest was so high at a garage sale that I figured a small, portable but tangible guide would answer all their early questions and get them started on their way in the hobby
     
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