Your test which is real??

On a recent thread on TPG someone questioned the need and thought
It to be a waste of money!! So i arranged a little test, Which you can
Take here for yourself maybe it will conveince you maybe not!

Below you will see 3 Mpc notes (Fronts only) Tell which ones or fake
Or real and why you think so?

I will post results by the end of this weekend ! Good Luck!!

 

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I haven't the slightest idea.

I would guess the middle version is genuine, because it appears to have circulated extensively.

 

Iam not going to tell you right or wrong, But as some additional info the top one
A Series 691 was unissued therefore it will appear new in either genuine or
Counterfeit!

As far as the bottom one Series 681 $20 there are some unc. out there but
Is this one of them???

Remember in the real world "GUESSING" Can cost you!! Big Time!!

 

Like the horse thief said

Like the horse thief said, just before they hung'em......."This fer is sure gonna be a lesson to me."

 

The 681 $20.00 note is one of the Chambliss copies. The word COPY is printed on the back of the note. It can be identified by its serial number.

The Series 691 $1.00 matches an entry in the MPC database as a genuine note. It may be a copy of that genuine note which could only be determined with the note in hand.

The 521 $5.00 is not in the database neither is it a Chambliss copy. Its authenticity also cannot be determined from a picture.

I know you are trying to prove the value of TPG but this test, such as it is, also proves Troodon's point -- don't spend significant money (what constitutes significant money is a subjective decision) without examining a note in hand.

 

Where do I find this database? I want to "verify" some of mine as now I"m nervous...

 

Most people dont have the privy of a data base to prove the authenticity
Of any given note, Especially someone that is just getting in to the hobby
Since alot of people buy on e-bay they can only view a picture and what
The seller has to say about it, This is also true on Heritage!

TPG is valued because you dont have to have the note in hand to buy
What it is, Is what it is.

I think you will be suprised when i post the results

Also as far as a note being in the database or not is that really
A proof of authenticity??? That note can easily be copied for
One thing, And ive seen several notes especially replacements
That go unreported,So can we conclude that just because
They are not in the data base they are not real, I dont
Think so!

 

$5 Series 521 is the real note as I posted in the other forum.
But that's just my guess.

 

That note in that condition would go for about $500 would you
Bet that??:goof:

 

You continue to miss the point. The anti-TPG crowd here has indicated that they would not buy a note without seeing it in person. If TPG gives you the confidence to do so, good for you.

The post about the PMG note with the corner ding is problematic for your position, however. The TPG service can only give you their opinion at the time they graded the note. If it is dropped or otherwise mishandled, there may be damage that makes the grade on the holder meaningless. You are not going to be able to tell that from a scan unless it is really obvious. This is particularly true where it is difficult to tell the difference between graded notes at the high end of the TPG scale.

I never said that the database is proof of authenticity. Of course, those notes could be copied. If you actually read my post, you would have seen that I acknowledged that. I also never said that a note that is not in the database is not authentic. You jumped to that conclusion.

The MPC database is available to anyone who registers at www.papermoneyworld.net. The information in the database is only has good as the people who are using it. Since anyone who registers can post to it, a bad seed could cause trouble.

 

No. Your answer is another indication that you are not paying any attention to those who do not agree with you. Anyone who would spend $500.00 on a note without ever having had the note in hand takes a risk. This is true whether the note is in a TPG holder or not. You may reduce some of the risk with the TPG holder but you are not going to eliminate it. The only way to do that is to see the note in person. Some of us are not willing to assume that risk even with a note in a TPG holder.

 

Thanks for the link Lettow!

And mpcUSA...I own that note...it's not in that good of shape actually it's rather a rag but it is my example for now
And no at $500 I'dpass on that purchase unless I knew the person that was selling it very well, had a return policy and that they new their MPC's.
It was just my guess.

 

Oh well, Agree to disagree i guess, People spend hundreds if not
Thousands of dollars on ungraded notes every day on e-bay so
They take a risk on authenticity and grade, But someone that
Is qualified, Like someone at PCGS makes a call on a note i will
Deffinitley trust there opinion every time over someone that isnt

 

As far as people agreeing with me. I would like to think people
Can make up there own minds, As everybody has one of those:kewl:

 

I don't know much about MPCs, but I would say the first and last notes are copies, and the middle note is real.

Just last week I saw a couple of US mpcs in a dealers "junk box" for $1 a piece, all uncirculated. I got excited, lol, until I turned them around and the "copy" was printed on the back of all the notes.

 

One of the points iam trying to make here!, If it wasent labled
Copy, Would have you known it was a copy?? Most likely not
Copies these days are very good!!

 

Very true, it was a pretty good copy, the one thing that did stand out (Besides COPY lol) was the feel of the paper. It felt more like copy paper, then an actual note.

 

I must mirror and agree with the lettow's comments.

Pawn the TPGs for their weight in gold if you will, but anyone who spends a significant amount of money on a note without viewing the note in hand, or at least having a review option, is a fool. TPGs are fallible—this should be the first thing anyone learns about these companies. They get things wrong, even when it come to counterfeit notes.

You would have served a better purpose with this post by teaching people why one note is counterfeit and one is not, instead of preaching the "godly" powers of TPGs.

Knowledge is what makes you successful in this hobby, but unfortunately too many people want to shortcut this step.

 

I'm not an MPC person, but I'd say the only genuine one is the third, but I do wish I was able to zoom in on them to better evaluate what I see as the problems with the first two. They don't seem to have interwoven coloring, as a bill would have if printed with a press versus printed with a printer. The colors seem to stop where they meet instead of merge. Of course, there's at least a 98% chance I don't have a clue what I'm talking about.
Guy~

 

I just love this hard core discussion!! Keep it up!!