My first Punic coin

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  1. Nvb

    Nvb Well-Known Member

    I’m on a roll here..
    This morning I picked up this Carthaginian Dishekel on Vcoins at a very fair price.
    Despite some rough surfaces I very much like the coin and find the eye appeal is fully intact with interesting hues and a soft, lifelike portrait of Tanit.
    The issue was struck in 205-203 BC during the second Punic war, shortly before the war was lost and silver content in Carthaginian coins was phased out completely.


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    CARTHAGE, Second Punic War. Circa 205-203 BC.
    BI 2 Shekels (26mm, 11.8g).
    Wreathed head of Tanit left / Horse standing right; palm tree in background. MAA 79; SNG Copenhagen 351.
    Rare.

    Post your Carthaginian coins, history, or whatever you feel is relevant.


     
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  3. happy_collector

    happy_collector Well-Known Member

    Very nice pickup, @Nvb. :)

    I also noticed your coin on vcoins, and had it on my watch list. I like both the obverse Tanit portrait and the reverse horse details.
     
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  4. Severus Alexander

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    That billon looks quite silvery... nice! My second Punic war AE shekel has a caduceus rather than a palm tree. it's similar with a bit of a challenged horse head :shame:, but nice body detail:

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    MAA 91; SNG Copenhagen 327
     
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  5. Nvb

    Nvb Well-Known Member

    Agree, appealing reverse too with good centering. Glad I snapped this up I don’t think it would have lasted long

    The depiction of Tanit strongly resembles Arethusa in your avatar pic .. does it not?
     
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  6. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Great DiShekel, @Nvb ! Congrats!

    Here is a Shekel from before all the Wars with Rome...

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    Carthage - Zeugitana
    AR Shekel-Didrachm
    360-264 BCE
    Tanit
    Horse r, head l, palm in background
    SNG COP 141
     
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  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Naw, thatsa carousel horse on a merry-go-round!

    :)

    Fixed the auto correct edit! Thanks @+VGO.DVCKS
     
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  8. happy_collector

    happy_collector Well-Known Member

    Agree. Both Carthage and Syracuse have great artists. :)
     
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  9. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Nope, @Alegandron, sorry* to do this, but I think you meant 'carousel.' (*Along the lines of, if you were as anal-retentative as some of us, you'd have already corrected the typo.) Carousal is closer to what I'm doing at the moment (...thanks, quietly).
    I've spent most of my collecting life, back to the early '70's, wanting as much as one representative AE of Carthage. Something to look forward to. Yeah, as in, Still. ...The sort of aspiration that can add years to your life.
     
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  10. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    If you're having a particularly bacchanalian time at the amusement park, I suppose you could be having a bit of carousal on the carousel...
     
  11. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Well Done! Well Done! Liking it.
    ...Just, don't fall off the horse....
     
  12. Silphium Addict

    Silphium Addict Well-Known Member

    @Nvb - great addition to your collection!

    These coins were traditionally called dishekels, but Cathy Lorber refers to them as tridrachms in her excellent article about a large hoard of these coins sold mainly by Harlan Berk starting in 1995: Lorber CC "A Hoard of Punic “Horse and Palm” Billon Tridrachms" in Coin Hoards: Volume IX - Greek Hoards. Meadows A, Wartenberg U (eds) London, 2002. pp 275-290, plates 54-66. They are usually 10.8-116 gm with a wide range of 8-13 gms. The coins are about 15-16% silver and Lorber dated them to the Second Punic War ~215-205 BC.
    Your coin is Lorber Group 2 (young head with single pendant earring) and probably from the hoard although I did not see an image of your coin in the plates.
    Here is my Group 2 example from HJB in 1995:
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    Carthage tridrachm 10.38 gm
    Lorber group 2, 33 (this coin)
    HJ Berk BB 88, lot 353 11/28/1995

    Here is my Lorber Group 4 with a more typical Punic style:
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    Carthage tridrachm 11.53 gm
    Lorber group 4
     
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  13. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I'm jealous of all these Tanit/horsie coins. Especially of the electrum ones. I imagine we'll see one of those here before all is said and done.
     
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  14. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    CARTHAGE COIN FABRICS

    GOLD

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    Carthage - Zeugitana
    AV 1/10th Stater-Shekel
    350-320 BCE
    0.94g 7.5mm
    Palm-
    Horse Head
    SNG COP 132


    Electrum
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    Zeugitania, Carthage
    Anonymous BCE 310-290
    EL Dekadrachm - Stater
    18.5mm, 7.27g
    Obverse: Wreathed head of Tanit left, eleven pendants on necklace; pellet before neck
    Reverse: Horse standing right; three pellets below exergue line
    Ref: MAA 12; SNG Copenhagen 136


    Silver
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    Carthage Zeugitania
    AR ½ Shekel
    17mm 3.8g
    2nd Punic War 218-202 BCE
    Sicily mint 216-211 BCE
    Tanit l
    Horse r sun as double uraeus
    SNG COP 359


    Billon
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    Carthage
    Third Punic War with Rome 149-146 BCE
    Billon Serrate Double Shekel
    12.83g, 26mm.
    Obv: Wreathed head of Tanit left
    Rev: Horse standing right, pellet below raised left leg
    Ref: SNG Copenhagen 403.
    Comment: Very fine, several (cleaning?) scratches

    Bronze
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    Carthage
    AE 31mm
    Trishekel 220-215 BCE
    2nd Punic War
    Tanit
    Horse Palm Punic "th"
    SNG COP 342
     
  15. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    I would call the ones with a weight of around 10 gram dishekels , and my heavier one a trishekel

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  16. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    git one!
     
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  17. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Thanks for that, @Alegandron. You might be hearing from me again in Conversations about good places to look.
     
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  18. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Nvb, Nice score :happy:! Carthaginian coinage is fascinating & beautiful. At one time the Carthaginians were the super-power of the Western Mediterranean basin. I've posted this Tet a number of times but will post again for your thread since it's a different type than the coins already posted ;).
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  19. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Gorgeous example!
     
  20. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..i;ve no silver or gold( oh silver and gold:singing:)..but do/did have a couple of bronze coins form i reckon both places...however, since starting on my display organizing, i can't seem to fine either..pus a few other :mad:
     
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  21. +VGO.DVCKS

    +VGO.DVCKS Well-Known Member

    Wow, @Al Kowsky, looking at that again, the combination of two such contrasting, but mutually iconic motifs is really a Thing. I'm still just savoring the gestalt. To @Alegandron's point, it's a stunning example.
     
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