Sometimes when you talk to each other in the threads you let gold slip out

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Southernman189, Sep 22, 2021.

  1. Southernman189

    Southernman189 Well-Known Member

    and most times you have no clue. BUT luckily the GOLD is one mans treasure and another mans trash. A while back I was reaching about flips being stapled and scratching OTHER flips/coins. (common problem) But then someone mentioned the fore mention "GOLD" fact. Flat staple... HUH? WHAT? WHERE HOW? Flat staple?? WTH??? never heard of it and I have been collecting for 45-50 years. SOOOOO did a little research, that evening bought TWO flat staplers. So thank you for the tidbits of gold
     
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  3. longnine009

    longnine009 Darwin has to eat too. Supporter

    You can squeeze the staples with needle nose pliers until it leaves a nice dent. That will help keep them from scratching.
     
  4. ZoidMeister

    ZoidMeister Hamlet Squire of Tomfoolery . . . . .

    I have a nice set of electrician's lineman's pliers that I use to squeeze the staples flat. I already had the tool to do it.

    Z
     
  5. rte

    rte Well-Known Member

    Your welcome :D I think that was one of the industries secrets.
     
  6. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    I consider GOLD a close personal friend...LOL
     
  7. Cliff Reuter

    Cliff Reuter Well-Known Member

    pssst .... Don't tell anyone but clear tape across the corners will work wonders as well and there's no chance that the stapler, the staples, or pliers will damage any coins.
     
  8. Southernman189

    Southernman189 Well-Known Member

    HMMMM thank you but is the glue on the tape harmful overtime with PVC? just asking I don't know.
     
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  9. Southernman189

    Southernman189 Well-Known Member

    actually I used a blunt rounded end of a folding knife for years to flatten but found a flat stapler click and done.
     
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  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Some brands of tape are made of PVC and since it is soft and pliable, yes it would contain the harmful softening agents. Other brands of tape are made of polypropylene - which is not harmful in and of itself.

    But the glues on all of them is harmful.

    But you have a bigger problem than that with the cardboard the 2x2s are made of. Cardboard produces cardboard dust that can cause spotting on coins, and the cardboard is made with sulfur which is also harmful to coins. And the 2x2s provide a poor level of protection from scratches and dents because the mylar windows are so thin.
     
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  11. charley

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  12. Cliff Reuter

    Cliff Reuter Well-Known Member

    I've been asked this before and I'll try to answer some questions that I have been asked.

    -Longtime storage: coins shouldn't be in PVC as that type of plastic can damage the coins.
    -I only use name-brand tape to minimize any failure of the adhesive. (I do see rolls from the 60's-80's where the tape seems to be coming off but I don't know what brand was used.)
    -The tape and glue never touch the clear part of the holder or the coin.
    -I usually position the "hinge" at the top and place the tape diagonally over both lower corners, after putting any info on the holder (since the tape doesn't usually retain ink or pencil very well). This way three sides of the holder have tape on them.
    -Faster than stapling and crimping.
    -Most of the edges that are sealed using tape this way keep air infiltration to a minimum.
    -Easy to remove coins from the holder, so sellers might not like this method at shows.
    -Absolutely zero chance for damage to occur to coins from staplers or staples. (I've never used staples so I'm not sure if the metal is completely below the surface of the cardboard when crimped with pliers.)
    _Valuable space in storage boxes isn't lost to staples that might project past the cardboard surface. (Even if they are crimped.)

    With all that being said, I have been exclusively using archival quality flips (I use Saflip brand) for coins for about 5 years now.

    I guess I need to look at my stored coins to see how they're doing in the old cardboard holders.
     
  13. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    The cardboard dust from 2x2s can really mess up proof coins.
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The risk/danger is not from direct contact. The risk is from the gasses put off by the tape and the glue. So it doesn't matter where the tape is, it only matters that it is present at all.
     
  15. Cliff Reuter

    Cliff Reuter Well-Known Member

    I no longer use cardboard flips but many people do and I like to be as accurate as possible with my understanding. (I realize Saflips offer only a certain level of protection as well. But when factoring in cost, storage, availability, etc. they are what I have settled on for most of my coins.)

    So, are you saying the gasses can penetrate the plastic (Mylar) on the cardboard flips? (Even though the plastic itself seals against the rims/surface of the coin.)

    Thanks in advance for your knowledge, insight, and experience.
     
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  16. CoinJockey73

    CoinJockey73 Well-Known Member

    I tried taping the sides tightly, securely, and i found some coins got loose in the flip. Unfortunately, I've found staples hold them closed tightest. I'm glad I'm not the only one who's tried.
     
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  17. Cliff Reuter

    Cliff Reuter Well-Known Member

    Thanks for bringing that up because I found the way to limit the movement was to press the two sides of the cardboard together and stretch the plastic over the coin. Not foolproof but I still liked it better than worrying about staples.

    But like I said, I use Saflips myself now. (Hard plastic holders probably offer the best protection from rub and friction.) This idea was just something for people to consider that don't have a fancy stapler to countersink the staples or want to take the time to crimp.
     
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  18. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    I just use a small hammer on an anvil to flatten mine. Hope I don't miss. LOL Just kidding of course.
     
  19. Southernman189

    Southernman189 Well-Known Member

    tried that, got a sore thumb, using a smaller hammer.
     
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  20. longnine009

    longnine009 Darwin has to eat too. Supporter

    They have had battery effects with Euro coins--corrosion from hand sweat mixing with two different metals on bimetallic Euros. I'll bet the same thing can happen with staple holders with enough time and humidity, if different metals are stored against each other. It's just a thin film keeping the two metals separated.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/419132a
     
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  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It doesn't have to because there are two sides to the cardboard - in other words the gasses are already inside the mylar, with the coin, and the mylar helps keep them there - with the coin.

    I understand what you're saying, and what said about wear in a subsequent post. But there's even more to it than that with Saflips, and other archival flips as well.

    Archival quality flips have 4 basic downsides. 1 - low protection value, 2 - wear resulting from movement within the flip, 3 - because the plastic is hard it has very sharp edges and it can easily scratch or hairline coins when they are put into or taken out of the flips, 4 - again because the plastic is hard, it almost always breaks where the two sides fold after a few openings and closings requiring they be replaced with new flips - which will do the same of course.

    And what I'm explaining is for the benefit of people who are unaware of all these things.

    When it comes to recommended coin storage I typically explain things in the same following way, by asking 2 simple questions. You can pick any coin in your collection, and if that coin had cost you 50 cents more when you bought it - would you still have purchased it ? And, if a coin is worthy of being in your collection to begin with, is it not worth spending 50 cents to protect it to the very best of your ability ?

    In almost every case, when asked, people answer yes to both questions. And given that, it leaves them with only 1 answer - use individual, hard plastic coin holders to store your coins - because they are the one and only choice for coin holders that do not have all the downsides all other choices have.
     
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