1957-D LWC Multiple die chips and a shattered retained internal die crack

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  1. Dearborn

    Dearborn Above average collector - Is that an Error?

    OK! I found a very nice error (should it be called an error?)
    This coin has a die chip on both the 9 and 5 of the date and the 'T' on the reverse.
    AND, a cracked skull? Looks like a retained interior die break - Shattered actually. I would think that the die would have been retired very soon after the striking of this coin. It looks like the hammer die is broken into many pieces.
    1957-D LWC Cu die chip on 9,5 - RIDCon head - chip on T.jpg 1957-D LWC Cu die chip on 9,5 - RIDCon head - chip on T1.jpg 1957-D LWC Cu die chip on 9,5 - RIDCon head - chip on T2.jpg 1957-D LWC Cu die chip on 9,5 - RIDCon head - chip on T3.jpg 1957-D LWC Cu die chip on 9,5 - RIDCon head - chip on T4.jpg 1957-D LWC Cu die chip on 9,5 - RIDCon head - chip on T5.jpg 1957-D LWC Cu die chip on 9,5 - RIDCon head - chip on T6.jpg 1957-D LWC Cu die chip on 9,5 - RIDCon head - chip on T7.jpg 1957-D LWC Cu die chip on 9,5 - RIDCon head - chip on T8.jpg 1957-D LWC Cu die chip on 9,5 - RIDCon head - chip on T9.jpg
     
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  3. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

  4. Dearborn

    Dearborn Above average collector - Is that an Error?

    ya, break - that is what I meant not chip. couldn't find the right word in my dusty old brain.. thanks for the correction.

    Edit: I'm going to go and fix that wording
     
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  5. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    It's a Die Deterioration issue. Just call it a Die state.

    It's a worn Die issue very commonly found in wheat cents.. Especially the 1950's Cents.

    I wouldn't use the term Shattered though. That would be more severe in appearance than what you see.

    Oh here is an example from 1957.. my collection..
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  6. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    All this is a good description of your coin. And a nice error coin it is.
    Its got more going for it than the slabbed one.
    http://www.error-ref.com/die-chips/
     
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  7. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    I do not recognize this nomenclature. Would you explain what this is?
     
  8. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

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  9. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    When it's a fresh die it's in a flawless state.
    After some extreme usage it's in a deterioration state.

    noun
    1. 1.
      the particular condition that someone or something is in at a specific time.
      "the state of the company's finances"

    Or you can say stage.
     
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  10. alurid

    alurid Well-Known Member

    Ok, Thanks.
     
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  11. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    I see this a lot. We've even got one on a 1943. These are a little strange.

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  12. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Very nice! It has several IDB’s, all from a worn die. To the Mint the cost of replacing a die is expensive. The die used to make this coin probably made millions more before it was removed from service. No where near a shattered die at this point.
     
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  13. Dearborn

    Dearborn Above average collector - Is that an Error?

    I think initially it was just one IDB, then after repeated strikes, it broke apart even more - which I say it is shattered. I was not meaning the entire die face, just the IDB portion.
     
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  14. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Understandable. A shattered die has numerous intersecting die cracks. I did not see that on your coin. It does have numerous ones but I didn’t see them connected.
     
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  15. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    I learned something from the post question and the opinion answers, thanks!
     
  16. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    The forehead appears more like a lamination than a IDB, but maybe it's just my old eyes.
     
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  17. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Not your old eyes as they are seeing correctly.
     
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  18. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    These are retained pieces of the die. The die broke but the die did not come apart and leave a void. The detail is retained the die pieces have just shifted on the die face.
    This is not the same as a die break like what @eddiespin posted.
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    Those are raised missing pieces from the die.
     
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  19. Dearborn

    Dearborn Above average collector - Is that an Error?

    That is exactly how I see this die event.

    Correct and Thanks!!
     
  20. Dearborn

    Dearborn Above average collector - Is that an Error?

    However, if you look at the center of this event, it does appear that a small part of the die did fall out - creating that vertical 'lump'. So in my opinion this was getting close to completely falling out and creating a void. (when I get home, I'll highlight what I'm talking about here.)
     
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  21. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I see the small die chip.
    Every time I see your sig line it makes me think of this song.
     
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