How common is artificial toning

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Everything else includes artificial toning.

 

Hopefully one day you find something you actually enjoy instead of just ranting consistently about how much you supposedly hate something

 

The point is they misrepresented coins in order to extract higher prices, and altered coins to misrepresent the grade of the coins that effected the value of those coins. They got CAUGHT.

Now, returning to the thread topic, how many Artificially coins are we now facing in the market, and of those, how many are being misrepresented or even slabbed?

 

Hopefully one day you will stop hiding your disdain for your fellow human beings, and stop making excuses for fraud. If I were you, I would put me in your ignore box and just ignore me. You hate talking with me and now are using psychobabble. I LOVE coins. I was BORN into a family that collects coins. I work at a job that deals with expensive and rare art objects every day and I am privileged to have friends that are experts in all manner of cultural artifacts, including coins. When educated people in the field read threads like this, they look on the whole Numismatic industry as being fake scoundrels only interested in the next scam and deal, with no appreciation for the art or the cultures that produce these works.

I hate that there are so many victims of theft and fraud in the hobby. I despise that. If you don't despise that as will, you are on the wrong side of the road. Don't victimize someone because of your own selfishness.

 

I do hope you find something that makes you happy one day. Looking to pick fights in numerous threads is no way to spend your time

 

Irony is such sweet sorrow!

 

Lol

 

Seriously? Do you even read what you write? You're the one who made this thread a legal discussion by referring to artificial toning as fraud and posting links to (irrelevant) court cases.

Perhaps you should stop playing armchair lawyer and respond to the original question, here expanded in the hope that you'll find it easier to understand:

If someone knowingly buys a coin with suspicious toning, how will you establish that the buyer is a victim of fraud, given that there's no definitive test to distinguish NT from AT? Even among coin collectors, the line between NT and AT is sometimes blurred. How do you expect that to be different for a judge or jury?

 

The TPGs are directly responsible for the inflation in the number of artificially tones coins. They are gradign coins they know are likely ATed and let them slip though the investment grade market, and they are supported in their gradflation of these coins by a legal community that inssists that PSCG and NCG are locked prrof that such coins at legit, when they are fraud. That makes them accomplishes to the misdeeds, that can rise to the level of criminal activity. How this is any different that the RICO procedings and PCI is a good question.

 

https://www.ngccoin.com/boards/topic/346015-is-it-illegal-to-artificially-tone-coins/

 

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/13-14/bill/asm/ab_0101-0150/ab_129_cfa_20140128_174724_asm_floor.html
SUMMARY : Specifies that current law which bans the issuance or
circulation of anything but lawful money of the United States
does not prohibit the issuance and use of alternative currency.

EXISTING FEDERAL LAW provides that manufacturing counterfeit
United States currency or altering genuine currency to increase
its value is a violation of Title 18, Section 471 of the United
States Code (U.S.C.) and is punishable by a fine of up to
$5,000, or 15 years imprisonment, or both.

Possession of counterfeit United States obligations with
fraudulent intent is a violation of Title 18, Section 472 of the
U.S.C. and is punishable by a fine of up to $15,000, or 15 years
imprisonment, or both.

 

https://www.moneyfactory.gov/resources/lawsandregulations.html

Counterfeiting Federal Reserve notes is a federal crime. Visit the United States Secret Service’s website for detailed information.




Manufacturing counterfeit United States currency or altering genuine currency to increase its value is a violation of Title 18, Section 471 of the United States Code and is punishable by a fine of up to $5,000, or 15 years imprisonment, or both.




Possession of counterfeit United States obligations with fraudulent intent is a violation of Title 18, Section 472 of the United States Code and is punishable by a fine of up to $15,000, or 15 years imprisonment, or both.

Anyone who manufactures a counterfeit U.S. coin in any denomination above five cents is subject to the same penalties as all other counterfeiters. Anyone who alters a genuine coin to increase its numismatic value is in violation of Title 18, Section 331 of the United States Code, which is punishable by a fine of up to $2,000, or imprisonment for up to five years, or both.
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Of course that would explain the focus on non-US coins by fraudesters, but general state fraud provisions is enough to ban AT for the purposes of fraud.

 

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/331

Whoever fraudulently alters, defaces, mutilates, impairs, diminishes, falsifies, scales, or lightens any of the coins coined at the mints of the United States, or any foreign coins which are by law made current or are in actual use or circulation as money within the United States; or

Whoever fraudulently possesses, passes, utters, publishes, or sells, or attempts to pass, utter, publish, or sell, or brings into the United States, any such coin, knowing the same to be altered, defaced, mutilated, impaired, diminished, falsified, scaled, or lightened—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 700; July 16, 1951, ch. 226, § 1, 65 Stat. 121; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(I), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)
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Seems like the BS by our local trolls is getting higher and higher

 

You are talking to a guy that is not a fan of the TPG's. Do they rule the market yes, maybe could you call it a monopoly, Possibly. Do they over grade, yes. Do they make mistakes, yes. It is my choice if I buy an AT coin, no one made me do it.
Buying coins has always been predicated by the education you have when buying.

 

http://news.coinupdate.com/resubmitting-questionably-toned-coins-4695/?sfw=pass1630896170