Diocletian in imperial mantle

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Valentinian, Aug 10, 2021.

  1. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    @Valentinian
    The Max Herc - IOVI AVGG appears with several bust types, all of which are scarcer when compared with the equivalent Diocletian type

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    The following with a military bust is quite a bit scarcer

    Obv:– IMP MAXIMIANVS AVG, Radiate, helmeted, cuirassed bust right
    Rev:– IOVI AVGG, Jupiter seated left, holding victory on globe in right hand and leaning on scepter in left hand
    Minted in Lugdunum (//A). Emission 7, Officina 1. Sping A.D. 290 - 291
    Reference:– Cohen 319. Bastien XI 332 (7). Voetter p. 57. RIC V Pt. 2 384a (Rated R)
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    And then I have this one which is yet to be published.... but is planned to be included in the next Bastien Supplement

    Obv:– IMP MAXIMIANVS P F AVG, Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right (seen from front)
    Rev:– IOVI AVGG, Jupiter standing right holding thunderbolt and spear,eagle at feet.
    Minted in Lugdunum (//A). Emission 7. Officina 1. Spring A.D. 290 – A.D. 291
    Reference(s) – Cohen -. Bastien - (0). RIC V Pt. 2 Lugdunum - Bust Type C.

    This reverse type not noted in RIC or Bastien for Maximianus Herculius.

    It is noted in RIC and Bastien for Diocletian (RIC quotes as common, Bastien 300 (1), 301 (1) and 302 (3) would appear to counter this rating)

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  3. Fugio1

    Fugio1 Well-Known Member

    I have no antoninianii of Diocletion but here is a recent Diocletian purchase with an interesting Africa reverse from Carthage:
    Diocletian Carthage Felix Advent-Mar.jpeg
    Denomination: Follis
    Era: 307 CE
    Metal: AE
    Obverse: IMP DIOCLETIANVS PF AVG; Laureate head of Diocletian
    Reverse: FELIX A-DV-ENTAVGG NN; Africa stdg, facing head l, ln long drapery with elephant-skin head-dress, r. holding standard, l. tusk; at feet to l, lion with captured bull. "I" to left, PKP in exergue
    Mint: Carthage
    Weight: 8.62 g.
    Reference: RIC 23a
    Provenance: CNG EAuction 491, 5-MAY-2021 lot 491
     
  4. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    The imperial mantle does appear from other mints during this period too. I did own this one which I believe is relatively scarce.

    Obv:– IMP DIOCLETIANVS AVG, Radiate bust left, wearing imperial mantle, holding eagle headed sceptre
    Rev:– PRIMIS X MVLTIS XX, Victory standing right, left, holding victory, left foot on rock, inscribing VO/T X on shield on palm tree
    Minted in Rome (_ R // XXID).
    Reference:– Cohen 388. RIC V Pt. 2 177 Bust Type H (Rated scarce)

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    I would love to own a medallion but all I have is a 19th century uniface plaster cast which has been hand painted to imitate patination and is part of a small set of these casts I obtained many years ago. This is as close as I am going to get to owning one.

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  5. Heliodromus

    Heliodromus Well-Known Member

  6. darwin31

    darwin31 New Member

    The unlisted Iovi Avgg is great to see, thanks for posting it!
     
  7. cmezner

    cmezner do ut des Supporter

    @Valentinian, in your OP the reference for the Diocletian with imperial mantle is:
    Bastien, Lyons 248.
    RIC V.II Lyons (Lugdunum) 27H

    the same reference as here http://augustuscoins.com/ed/tetrarchy/Diocletian.html

    I have this coin too, and according to numismatics.org (which doesn't differentiate the bust type) they are all attributed as RIC V Diocletian 28 and Bastien 323:
    http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.5.dio.28
    http://numismatics.org/collection/1984.146.104

    At numismatics.org I can't find RIC V.II Lyons (Lugdunum) 27H. Could you please point me where I can find it?
     
  8. cmezner

    cmezner do ut des Supporter

    Another Probus with imperial mantle:
    Antoninianus, Rome, 278 AD; 3rd emission, 5th Officina
    23 mm, 3.825 g
    RIC V Probus 202 Bust type H; Cohen 644;

    Ob.: IMP PROBVS AVG Radiate bust of Probus to l. wearing imperial mantle, holding scepter surmounted by eagle in right hand
    Rev.: SOLI INVICTO Sol, radiate, in spread quadriga riding left, holding globe in r. hand and whip in l. hand; Mintmark: -/-//R*ϵ
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  9. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    You are right. It really is 28H, not 27H. The difference in the two is the obverse legend. Each RIC number has four or five obverse bust types and the obverse bust was clearly associated with 27, but I see it is one of the possibilities with 28 as well and 27 has legend "IMP DIOCLETIANVS P AVG" and my coin lacks the "P".

    Thanks for pointing that out.
     
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