Another Shocker at Heritage Last Night

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Al Kowsky, Sep 2, 2021.

  1. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Several days ago I began tracking the coin pictured below with the hope of snagging it for $500.00 or less. There are many different varieties of this coin type that are more attractive than this one, so I kept my fingers crossed :D. I didn't realize this coin sold at Heritage 4 years ago for $1,080.00 until this morning :(. It sold again last night for $2,880.00 :jawdrop:! There seems to be no limit what collectors will pay for slabbed high-grade Tets in the current market :rolleyes:.
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  3. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    It is a shame that coins cannot be slabbed (YET?) showing their entire edge w/o prongs.
     
  4. Yorkshire

    Yorkshire Well-Known Member

    There's a French grading company that slab coins where you can see the edges, not sure on the company name though.
     
  5. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    I was pretty sure that one of the big three has a special slab specifically for edge lettering
     
  6. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    o_O If you are referring to the FOUR major TPGS, the BIG TWO plus the two others, they all use prong holders depending on the coin.
     
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  7. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    It's a great coin but wow. Tetradrachms are insane right now. I only got a few at the beginning of the year and haven't acquired one since then.

    Even junk & common Alexandrian Tets have been going for more than I expect.

    My "Top coins of 2021" list will be pretty short this year, if I even bother.
     
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  8. hotwheelsearl

    hotwheelsearl Well-Known Member

    I was thinking of the ICG Presidential View holder. Still has prongs, though.
     
  9. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    It’s been my experience that most every Heritage auction result is a shock. You have really want the item to be successful.
     
  10. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    John, I decided to put the brakes on Heritage auctions today. Bidders are buying their slabbed coins without restraint. I'll keep an eye on their auctions just to see how crazy they can get :wacky:.
     
  11. Factor

    Factor Well-Known Member

    I actually won a nice group lot on the same Heritage sale, for a very reasonable price. Guess what- the coins in the lot were not in the best shape (around fine) and not slabbed ;)
     
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  12. AussieCollector

    AussieCollector Moderator Moderator

    I know right? And it's not even a real Tetradrachm!

    But yes, I agree. It is absolutely crazy at the moment. I really hope the market corrects itself, and soon.
     
  13. Nvb

    Nvb Well-Known Member

    This modern coin collecting mentality of ‘slab and grade are all that matters’ seems to be infiltrating our beloved Ancients market.
    Unsophisticated investors with more money than sense I guess.
    As long as they stay away from the more gritty fine style VF’s and otherwise interesting coins I suppose we can co-exist.
     
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  14. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Salus reverse types are one of the most commonly encountered of Faustina's denarii, accounting for 8% of all denarii in the Reka Devnia hoard issued under Marcus Aurelius. I don't mean 8% of Faustina's denarii; I mean 8% of all denarii under Marcus, including Lucius Verus, Marcus, Commodus and Faustina. This is the sort of coin that CNG would throw into a group lot because it's not worth selling individually. Somebody collects slabs, not coins ...

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    Here's mine, purchased for $32, albeit "back in the day."

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  15. GregH

    GregH Well-Known Member

    So the slab-obsessed modern collectors are piling into the ancient market. And opportunistic auction houses and dealers are slabbing cheap coins and selling them for 5-10x their value. The buyers don't know what they're buying and are perfect examples of the Greatest Fool Theory in action. I can see the market flooding with slabbed common coins, and eventually the bubble will burst and these coins will again sell for what they're worth (ie very little).
     
  16. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Last month Louis Golino wrote a very insightful article for the Coin Week website: The Coin Analyst: Comparing Today's Booming Coin Market With the 1980s, see the link below. The coin market of the late 1980's & early 1990s endured a serious crash that coincided with a crash in commodities & the stock market. Leading the coin market crash were slabbed U.S. coins, especially silver dollars. When PCGS & NGC released census reports on exactly how many coins were graded in each condition, reality slapped collectors & dealers in the face :eek:. Since then we've seen gradeflation & market grading entering the market. Despite these new trends the market for slabbed coins is strong, including slabbed ancient coins. Eventually census numbers for slabbed ancient coins will play an important role in determining their value & corrections in the market will occur. In the meantime, collectors "holding their breath" waiting for a market crash may be the real victims of the Greatest Fool Theory.

    The Coin Analyst: Comparing Today’s Booming Coin Market With the 1980s (coinweek.com)
     
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  17. corvusconstantius

    corvusconstantius Active Member

    Everyone is noticing the huge inflation in rare and slabbed coins recently, but even Imperial Coinage bottom feeders like myself are noticing huge increases over the past six months or so. Any coin with a remotely interesting reverse is flying past my predictions for price realized.
     
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  18. Limes

    Limes Well-Known Member

    A very interesting article, thanks for sharing. Who knows how the economy will be like, 6 months, a year, or longer from now. I do however hope this will cool down, but it's of course impossible to predict if that will be the case. The advantage I have however, is that I'm in it for the long run, not for the short investment profit. I can take it easy, buy less now, and intensify my buying when prices go down.
     
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  19. GregH

    GregH Well-Known Member

    A crash is inevitable because the market is increasingly being flooded with overpriced slabbed common ancient coins. One dealer I know openly boasted that he slabs common high quality raw coins and sells for 10x mark-up. If he’s doing it, so is everyone else. How many $1000 Gordian III ants can the market absorb? It’s obviously unsustainable.
     
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  21. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Limes, I like your approach to the present coin market, "take it easy, buy less now, and intensify my buying when prices go down", & I'm doing the exact same thing :smuggrin:. I've got 4 bids in auctions closing this month, & they will be my last bids for the year & beyond. Reflecting on my purchases this year, I can honestly say that I overpaid for most of them :oops:.
     
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