Actually, your response (while wrong) was more moderate and thoughtful, so should have been in the "neutral" camp. @Michael K's was also more neutral than stupid. But the others...not so much. I'm just frustrated with the response from the knee jerk crowd.
One might always consider they have the coin and take the photograph and the ones offering an opinion has to use those for consideration. I still do not agree with DDO and I will stick with die chips as the bottom of the T appears too long . I am not trying to be offensive to you as I am talking about the coin and not you as a member. Good night, Jim.
Interesting. Even after multiple experts have identified it as a Doubled Die, rather than realizing your error and viewing this as an opportunity to learn more about Type-1 Doubled Dies, you go back to the incorrect conclusion. Most interesting in this type of Doubled Die is the question "why does it show up mainly on the "Y"? Why not on other areas of the coin? The answer to this question is key to understanding the variety.
Seriously was this actually necessary???no it was not and a very amusing childish comment no one is %100 perfect.
"Interesting. Even after multiple experts have identified it as a Doubled Die, rather than realizing your error and viewing this as an opportunity to learn more about Class-1 Doubled Dies," I have a nice collection of Lincoln's Class-DDO 1 cents and I know what Type-1 was intended to be. For those that do not ,here is what Wexler says on the website, https://www.doubleddie.com/203843.html It is a rotational action as he describes due to Double squeeze die making with a movement by one of the dies between the first and the second squeeze causing the 1955/55 and the 1972/72 as probably the best known. Wexler also says it is around a pivot point, generally near the center probably due to the die being unable to move much laterally in the press. He has this image see in Figure #2 below. Figure #1 - Here we see a normal design image for a 1967 Lincoln cent. The part in blue is not wexler, but another source. This is a Class 1 DDO. You can see how the "Y" in liberty is affected, but how does it not affect the other details and just the "Y" ? Maybe there is a new definition and I do not understand it. I will continue to use the classic definition myself and end here. In My Opinion and sorry if I created difficulty. Jim
Yes, it was absolutely necessary, and perhaps not strong enough. You must realize that many new error/variety collectors post here, and rely on the collective expertise of this and other forums to help guide them with their discoveries. Now, I also realize that there are quite a few folks who "troll" the forums with useless "discoveries", and of course the reactions from those I listed as "stupid wrong" are probably appropriate for those folks. But not everyone is a troll, and not every discovery is trash, yet many folks on this forum immediately assume that any new discovery and discoverer needs to be disrespected. It is these folks I was targeting with my "stupid wrong" classification. I'm glad you are sharing this, as it is of course perfectly correct regarding Class-1 Doubled Dies which are fully-hubbed. However, when the first hubbing of a Doubled-Die (not just Class-1) is partial, many strange things can happen. Most famous of these are the "Doubled Eye" and "Doubled-Ear" DDOs. These happen because while the hub is an exact copy (except reversed and incuse) of the final die, the blank die is not flat, but crowned such that it hits the hub first in the center, then gradually more toward the periphery as the hubbing is completed. If the first hubbing is misaligned, then the center features can show doubling, while peripheral features do not (eg Doubled Eyes and Ears). A stronger first hubbing may be deep enough to include more of the peripheral features, and this is the case with the 42P DDO showing mainly on the "Y". The first hubbing was rotated (Class-1), but weak enough to only show on the "Y" and not farther out toward the die edge, due to the crown shape of the new, blank die. In the case of the 42P DDO, if indeed the first hubbing had been complete, the resulting die would have been of similar magnitude to the Wexler illustration.
Not just the bottom tip, but about half of the left upper part of the Y as well. Not sure what that part of the Y would be called.
There are many DDO's that are only visible in certain devices of a coin, no matter what class of doubling it is attributed to. (Extra verticle bars on the first and last T's of TRUST on some Lincoln wheat cents come to mind.) I believe I saw a thread by Jason Cuvelier (2-3 years ago?) talking about a tilted working hub having the ability to affect doubling. I believe the example he cited affected the O of ONE on the reverse of a Lincoln wheat cent. I would suspect this is could be one explanation for only some devices closer to the perimeter exhibiting the doubling. Not a monster, but still a nice DDO by the way, and congrats on the new listings rmpsrpms. No difficulty whatsoever with the quality of your images. The doubling is clearly there.
You aren't the only one that he blocked. He blocked me for no apparent reason except a disagreement over food distribution relating to covid. Oh well.
What was obnoxious and un-cool was how the worst offenders responded to my post. No care at all to see if indeed a variety was being shown, apparently just an evil, sadistic desire to shoot it down. Not cool at all. Hmm, then would a capital Y have two strokes and a stem, or two ascenders and a descender?
I was wondering the same thing. I think that the doubling is of the descender in the letter Y. I did a quick look to see if there was a better explanation than the one provided, but it'll require a deeper dive.
