1986 lmc ddr?

I've seen my fair share of strike doubling(even examples that look more extreme than this) and this just doesn't look like it under the loupe. You can even see where the seperation lines merge back into the main body of the letters, especially in the U and N in United.

 

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Sorry, it's MD

 

I agree, it is all machine doubling. Look at how the doubling effects the lettering. It cuts into the lettering. The doubling on a doubled die makes the lettering look wider. That does not happen on this coin.

Thanks,
Bill

 

Agreed, MD!!

 

It takes a die variety specialist exactly 2 seconds to see

It takes a die variety specialist exactly 2 seconds to see this is a mechanically doubled coin. Now I'm not suggesting you should have been able to do it that fast at all but you should know enough by now to tell after closely looking, study and thinking about it - where are the pointers we've been giving you? What did you really feel in your gut?

I've said it before and I'll say it again, "we make it too easy on CoinTalk at times for folks to not learn for themselves, ( true doubled dies from other forms of doubling) and depend on others for the knowledge they should be gaining for themselves."
We, by doing this are actually cheating these new folks out of an education by answering questions instead of challenging them to prove it to themselves what is a doubled die.
Nothing at all aganst this poster, or any others but when do we stop answering the questions and ask them to learn to answer these?
I'm not talking about first, second or even 144th first time postings but at what point do we start to ask ourselves, are folks finding it easier to just post and ask rather than take it on themselves?

On this particular coin I suspect the poster did not ask/answer for him/her self one of the last questions I would have had when trying to detemine this particular piece, that is "on an 86 Lincoln reverse with this type of crisp, fairly big doubling - why have not others been found, most likley they would have, not always but probably. Then that, therefore begins to answer for me "it's probably not a true doubled die is it"?

I also hope that new people reading these type threads think we just sit back on our thrones and say, MD, MDD, MMD (that's why I hate these appreviations so much, they say esp. to the new commer absolutly nothing the he/she understands) we don't just arbitrarly say every coin is mechnically/machine doubled. We know because we also at one time, had to do the work, we had to learn for ourselves what is a doubled die and more importantly what is not!

 

Don't worry. I doubt anyone here thinks you have a throne. King Nothing.

 

I don't see where there is any harm in asking. A few years back I purchased a RPM coin from a very reputable dealer,(most of us know him),
it looked suspicious to me from the get go. In time, I had sent the coin in for examination, it came back as machine doubling. Maybe this one just slipped by accidently, so I don't see a problem by asking. Like the old saying goes," the dumbest question in the world, is the one you don't ask"...

 

My point is folks will never be able to learn for themselves

My point is folks will never be able to learn for themselves if they don't do the work the rest of us who do know did - that's all. You can take ownership of a subject or you can stay on the sidelines it's up to you.
In the modern world it seems in some respects to be easier to post and wonder than to learn how to decide for yourself - you may have it anyway you choose.

 

It was a question

YIKES! And I thought reading a BB called CoinTalk WAS a way to educate myself.

When I want attitude I talk to my Mother~In~Law.
When I want to learn something about coins I log in here. (And since Christmas I Now have Three Books.)

 

I agree 100%, but when someone goes to school to learn they don't just have books, they have a teacher who asks questions and answer questions. Sure people will ask first before researching for themselves, its quicker. I've been here at CT for a short while and have seen the same question a couple hundred times. I, for one would rather do the research, it makes me feel good about myself. Asking instead of researching is kind of like fast food compared to a homemade meal, its not equal, but these are fast times...

 

Yes and each person is differen - that's what makes the world go round

Yes and each person is different - that's what makes the world go round.
Some want to learn and many just want to "find out", there is nothing wrong with that. To really learn something you got to, sooner or later, take the training wheels off" and go solo and yes you will fall, you will get scratched up a bit but then you learn and you do not forget.
I promise you every single person I have taught regarding doubled dies and RPM's can spot them better than 9 out of 10 old school coin dealers - they even end up picking those same dealers on coins they have missed.

 

imc ddr

last year I would not know what a imc ddr was~

Since hanging out here I've learned some of the new alphabet and can translate that into "LMC" and know they are referring to a Lincoln Memorial Cent....so I'm making progress.

 

LOL - it took about 2 seconds to conclude Machine Doubling.

I have a whole bunch of MD pics on this page of my site that I have created exclusively to help collectors understand what it looks like:
http://www.lincoln-cents.cuvelier.org/OFD/MD.html

The same pictures are also on the LCR forums...

 

A year and a half ago I would have kept Machine doubling as something collectible with big value. Now after being on this forum and others I can spot it fairly easy. But it took time with the help of members to realise what I needed to learn the hobby. I can't tell you what a good book is but I do have several now.
So to all the newbies keep asking the seemingly dumb questions.

 

bhp3rd, I agree with most of what you had to say. the paragraph below is the exception

"On this particular coin I suspect the poster did not ask/answer for him/her self one of the last questions I would have had when trying to detemine this particular piece, that is "on an 86 Lincoln reverse with this type of crisp, fairly big doubling - why have not others been found, most likley they would have, not always but probably. Then that, therefore begins to answer for me "it's probably not a true doubled die is it"?"

Had I read this about 2 1/2 years ago I might have decided that my avatar might be not worth anything, after all, none had been seen in the previous 25 years. Fortunately I knew enough about double dies do realize I had found something.

Richard

Read more: http://www.cointalk.com/t86782/#ixzz0cXV9vgvj

 

You always make a good point but at that level of skill you

You always make a good point and are right but I would hope as higher levels of skills increase you would most likley know you had a winner there (with your coin) but I never miss an oppertunity to help these guys learn to think for themselves.
Thanks Richard

 

I understand your points bhp3rd, but given the fact that jallengomez created the post in the first place, he (and I) are not the kind of people who want to conduct thorough research and exhaustive searching for answers where it can easily be obtained from many folks whom receive enjoyment from sharing their knowledge with others. As for some people such as yourself, you get enjoyment from doing the research and studies on your own and are clearly a very serious collector. But many collectors here find enjoyment in talking to other members and picking their brains about coins and learning that way. And then there are others that are just not as serious about collecting and want the answer.

I can understand forcing others to learn critical life and career skills, but c'mon man, bottom line is this is just a hobby for most of us, and we want it to be fun. I contribute in this forum to relax and enjoy the hobby of coin collecting; not to exhaustively search for answers to try and get a doctorate in numismatics. When it becomes hard and too much work, for me, it's no longer a hobby; it's a chore.

-LTB

 

Your points are valid and good - thanks!!

Your points are valid and good - thanks!!

 

Exactly!

exactly!

-DUM

 

Ver nice site TY

:high5:
Very nice site ..I'm teaching my 9 year old about the beauty of collecting cent and it is sometimes so difficult to describe errors and the visuals you have provide are simply put EXCELLENT teaching tools thanks again
Steve