Possible Die Match ? Opinions Please

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Al Kowsky, Aug 21, 2021.

  1. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    One coin that caught my attention at the Heritage Platinum Auction is pictured below. This Koson State, lot 34058, sold for $5,750.00 :jawdrop:! Comparing it to the one in my collection, I sense a die match on the reverse die & possible die match on the obverse die. The Heritage coin exhibits more die wear than my coin making the comparison difficult. One thing that makes the reverse stand out on both coins is the small die break at 1:00 o'clock. Both of these coins have the same grade, however, I believe my coin is the superior example :smuggrin:.

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  3. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Double die match.
     
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  4. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Not exactly sure. There are a couple of spots where the images appear different - for example the beard of the figure on the far left, though I suppose it could be due to the wear of the first coin.
     
  5. svessien

    svessien Senior Member

    Double die match, in my opinion.
     
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  6. kirispupis

    kirispupis Well-Known Member

    There's only three obverse and ten reverse dies for this entire run, so the odds of die matches are higher than many other coins. This looks like obverse B for both coins. The reverse also looks to be a die match but you can tell for sure here.

    Typical with Heritage, this is way too high for a Koson stater. They typically run for less than half that.
     
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  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Does the die crack at reverse top extend further left on the Heritage coin or is that an artifact of the photograph (as I suspect)? I believe they are die duplicate but the photo of your coin makes the circle of dots look a bit oval which would distort attempts to overlay/match. What I believe here is that you need to make a new photo of your coin paying attention to being perfectly level. I have no experience photographing slabs but I can see how some will be tilted a bit when shot for glare reduction while Heritage has a way of lighting or correcting such problems. That could include shooting at a set angle and distorting the image back to round (not really a difficult program to write, I suspect, but I have no idea if they do that).

    Do I recall correctly that (nearly?) all of the known examples of the type were from one find? What is the lowest grade known for the type? AU? Do the silver ones have separate dies?

    EDIT: I apologize: My questions are answered in the link provided by kirispupis.
     
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  8. Ocatarinetabellatchitchix

    Ocatarinetabellatchitchix Well-Known Member

    Al, your coins is definitely of higher grade. Especially with the flan problems on the Heritage's coin at 2:00 o'clock, 5:00 o'clock, 8:00 o'clock and 11:00 o'clock....
     
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  9. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    I have an older photo that may not be any better than the 1st one but here it is :happy:.

    Koson Stater, Pinterest (2).jpg
     
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  10. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    kirispupis, Thanks for that die study link :happy:. I'm very surprised so few dies were used on these Koson staters, especially when you consider the huge quantity of them on the market o_O.
     
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  11. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Doug, You're right about the die crack on the Heritage coin ;). If you click the image it's obvious with the enlarged view.
     
  12. Al Kowsky

    Al Kowsky Well-Known Member

    Thanks to everyone for your input :happy:. After reviewing the study kirispupis posted I feel confident calling this a double die match :cool:.
     
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  13. dltsrq

    dltsrq Grumpy Old Man

    "All from one find" (or series of related finds) is in essence the position of the Government of Romania and Interpol, especially concerning the silver. I believe the few gold pieces known before the 1990s do include worn specimens. The sudden appearance of so many coins, the uniform high grade and the small number of dies are interrelated points. The paper linked above glosses over the legal status of the coins now in the marketplace but that was not the author's focus.
     
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  14. Black Friar

    Black Friar Well-Known Member

    Hi Doug, I do remember when that hoard was found and subsequently hit the market. It caused quite a stir.
     
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