1957d LWC - strangely rectangular delamination

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  1. TonkawaBill

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  3. Phil's Coins

    Phil's Coins Well-Known Member

    You should shop around. Etsy would probably list it as a "one of a kind" worth at least $75k.
     
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  4. CygnusCC

    CygnusCC Roping the Learns Supporter

    Haha, I've been hearing that. Remind me not to shop for coins on Etsy in the future. :hilarious:
     
  5. Collecting Nut

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  7. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Thank you for posting.
     
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  8. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Lamination errors are not simple as they vary in types. Hopefully what I said, the web link and 2 examples provided will help you to have a better understanding of them.
     
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  9. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Nice, it's definitely a keeper. Thanks for sharing.
     
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  10. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    I don't have the piece in hand, but my initial impression is tooling.
     
  11. CygnusCC

    CygnusCC Roping the Learns Supporter

    FWIW I had questions about the very straight lines down each side of the lamination, yet the 'grain' of the coin seems to be perpendicular to those lines within the delaminated section itself. I wondered at that disparity.

    Interestingly though, there don't seem to be tool marks heading SW/NE inside of the delaminated area so it seems doubtful it was gouged up.
     
  12. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    The lamination is due to a weak area on the planchet. That could be the result of any number of things, from impurities in the composition to just a bad mixing of the metals. For whatever the reason, the area isn’t where we need it to be able to take the strike; rather, it’s brittle there. The strike literally lifts it right off. Our vernacular for that event is, “peel.” But it’s the beginning and end of it. There’s no evolution, these don’t grow. At times the pieces hang on, and sometimes they don’t, as seen in some of these pictures.
     
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  13. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Not having the coin in hand, my first look at the photo had me saying it was an addition to the surface, not a removal. I based that upon not seeing any shadows that suggest raised or incused area. The "shiny" part matches the wear shine of the higher points on the coin, so my conclusion was "added material." While everyone else, save @charley accepts it as a lamination error, I of course question myself, but can you confirm the area is incused to put my mind at rest?
     
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  14. CygnusCC

    CygnusCC Roping the Learns Supporter

    Hey Mountain Man, yeah, it looks incuse to me - but just barely. I've tried to snap a few angled pictures but you can't really easily see the edge of the lamination. You can see that the letters in liberty are raised in comparison, though.

    Interestingly you can see in the bottom photo that the bottom of the lamination has a layer you can see the edge on that does seem raised, but the rest of the lamination seems flat or microscopically incused to me.

    Let know if you have thoughts on better ways I can photograph this...

    Focused on bottom edge of the lam:
    1957D_LWC_Delam_Side.jpg

    Focused on top edge
    1957D_LWC_Delam_Side4.jpg

    Less angled
    1957D_LWC_Delam_Side2.jpg

    Looking directly down over liberty:
    1957D_LWC_Delam_Side3.jpg

    The coloring on this microscope sucks - sorry about that.
     
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  15. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Have you used a tooth pick or your finger nail to run over the area and see what happens? In your new photos, it still looks undefined to me.

    @Fred Weinberg. @JCro57, others?
     
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  16. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    As I said earlier, it looks like it broke off at the bottom that you now confirm as raised.
     
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  17. CygnusCC

    CygnusCC Roping the Learns Supporter

    Ok, took me a bit to figure out how to share video over youtube. I'm using a porcupine quill for this instead of a toothpick, but it still shows that it catches on the far edge of the lamination as I move over it.

    Hopefully it's viewable:


    No idea why there's hissing sounds on it - the microscope doesn't have a microphone that I'm aware of...
     
  18. CygnusCC

    CygnusCC Roping the Learns Supporter

    Wait, does this mean I have a retained lamination!? :)
     
  19. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    No, that’s where it broke off, at the high spot, just above the I in LIBERTY.
     
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  20. CygnusCC

    CygnusCC Roping the Learns Supporter

    Yeah, I figured. Oh well, one could hope. I'll keep looking for a retained.
     
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  21. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Excellent. That shows it is indeed incused and a missing portion. Thanks your for taking the time to do this and remove any misconceptions I had.
    No doubt about it now, a lamination error, IMO also.
     
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