1798 Cent could it be graded?

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  1. Johnny D

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  3. MIGuy

    MIGuy Well-Known Member

    Of course it could! I've been sending a real mix of coins to ICG mostly because I'm just curious as to how the grading process works, it's been quite an education. I wouldn't use PCGS or NGC given the expense, but I'd think ANACS or ICG would be perfect for this. ICG has a $10 special for Coin Talk members for US Coins ($15 for world coins) that I have taken advantage of, and their turn around time is good - 2 / 3 weeks total in my experience. The grades are tough but fair in my estimation. I was a bit miffed on how my 1921 SLQ was, in my view, undergraded, but after looking at it and reading about them, I get it (weak reverse feathers - EF obverse, VF grade overall).
     
  4. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    It won't straight-grade, if that's what you mean. It will get a "details" grade from a TPG (third-party grading service), due to the issues it has (pitting, scratches, etc.)

    That being said, it's a US coin from the 1700s. Those are always fun, regardless, and often come with problems like this.

    You'd get it back in a holder that said "xx details" - with a description of the problem(s): scratches, corrosion, environmental damage, whatever.

    I see no reason that coin needs to be submitted for grading. As a matter of fact, the EAC (Early American Coppers) specialists are notably anti-slab.

    Sure, it's a "problem" coin, but it's still cool. Problems are the norm on early coppers like this. They lived a hard life.
     
  5. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I'll save you some money.

    VG details, post mint damage.

    Do you really need to get it in a plastic holder. A collector who is doing a lower grade year set would prefer to put it in his album.
     
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  6. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    ANACS and ICG would not straight-grade this coin. They'd note the problems on it. I can practically guarantee that. But even so, if it does get encapsulated by a TPG, at least it can be considered genuine.

    Not that you need a TPG to tell you that. The coin looks fine to me on the authenticity front. It's just not a straight-grade coin, is all. It has damage. Pretty typical damage, to be sure, but damage nonetheless. No straight-grade from a reputable TPG for damaged coins.

    So yes, if you must have it in a slab (again, I don't see the need), then a less expensive option like ANACS might indeed be the way to go.
     
  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Listen to this man.
     
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  8. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I second that.
     
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  9. ewomack

    ewomack 魚の下着

    I have kept my 1794 free - I don't think I'll send it in for grading for many of the reasons listed above - plus, it's awesome to hold it (but not for too long, with clean hands and infrequently)

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  10. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    That's beautiful!
     
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  11. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Heck, that thing is impervious to Col. Sanders Mitts...... devil.gif
     
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  12. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Too many scratches and signs of pitting so it won’t straight grade. A details coin at best and no where worth the values you’re showing.
     
  13. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I think it just happened to be lying on top of the Red Book, is all.
     
  14. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Perhaps but I’m wondering why? Use the cover, not a page.
     
  15. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Or move the coin up a bit as the price being shown is for a 1799 large cent.
     
  16. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Anything can be graded, unless you mean straight grade.
     
  17. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    I’ll offer the other side of the coin (see what I did there?)….. Yeah, that was a really bad pun…. OK, seriously…. I purchased this 1794 raw. I was fully aware that it would be labeled as a damaged coin and that was my intention when I sent it in. I don’t sell my coins and there will come a day probably sooner rather than later that my wife will have to liquidate my collection. She couldn’t argue authenticity any more than I could tell you what half of her kitchen gadgets are. So, I wanted the coin labeled as genuine so that the old cent would be easier for her to liquidate.


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  18. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    And that makes sense.

    That’s a heckuva nice coin, regardless of the issues that put it in a “details” holder. The PCGS plastic makes sense in this context, given the value of the piece.

    Edit: I looked up the TrueView on it, out of random curiosity.

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  19. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    TruView makes that one look nice!
     
  20. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Indeed it does. As “details” coins go, that’s a sweetie.
     
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  21. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    For those wondering why @Randy Abercrombie’s 1794 makes sense in the plastic while the 1798 in the original post might not, it all boils down to the cost of certification versus the value of the coin. That factor needs to be weighed in the decision of “slab or don’t slab”. But if @Johnny D simply wanted his coin in a slab regardless of the cost, then sure, why not.
     
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