mint set grading

thanks for the info, i will definitely post any pictures here before sending anything off to grade.

 

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Ha ha ha ha!

I've yet to see someone print an original registered mail label on a manila mint shipping envelope with brown sealing tape.

Ha ha ha ha!

 

So the ebay auctions for "1965 mint set sealed" showing a sealed brown inner envelope weren't sealed by the Mint?

 

The envelopes were white not brown on these and no never

The envelopes were white not brown on these and no never sealed, never!

 

Look at this, the ebay seller completely contradicts the white envelope:

"THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CASES WHERE SELLERS HAVE PUT THESE SETS IN NEWLY PRINTED ENVELOPES AND SEALED THEM. IF YOUR SET IS IN A SOLID WHITE ENVELOPE AND DOESN'T LOOK 44 YEARS OLD, IT PROBALLY ISN'T."

http://cgi.ebay.com/1965-SMS-SPECIAL-MINT-SET-ORIGINAL-SEALED-MINT-ENVELOPE_W0QQitemZ160381984462QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCoins_US_Individual?hash=item255782dece

 

1)Are the envelopes brown or white?

2) Did someone other than the Mint seal this envelope?

 

To me if it's on eBay to begin with it's not real anyway but it seems like this selle

To me if it's on eBay to begin with it's not real anyway but it seems like this seller is saying exactly what I said - eBay first and formost is a joke but I know what I know.

First Mint Sets were never sealed.
Some people who bought 100 lot groups took them out and sealed them after for God only knows what reason.
There is many fake envelopes, hell there is fake everything!
Some groups of Proof sets (55 thru 64 were sealed but if on Ebay I'm certain they have been opened and searched then resealed.
The 1950 thru 54, and some 55 came in samll boxes always sealed with 2 pc.'s of packing tape.
There are ways to tell the fake envelopes such as color, printing.
And finally eBay is a scourge to experienced coin collectors esp. when combined with terms such as unopened "anything" unsearched "anything" or,,, and this is the worst "die varieties" and a worn out Indian cent on the end of a wheat roll - if you buy these thing of eBay, (it pains me to even spell the word) you deserve all you are not going to get!

 

bhp I thank you for your input, but unless I'm missing something this seller totally disagrees with you on 1965 sets. He says white envelopes are a fraud. And you say the white are real ones. I'm confused.

 

What he say is,

Read it again and think!

What he says is, if they are in white envelopes and do not look 44 years old they probably are not and this is a lie - I've seen boxes of mint and proof sets as fresh as todays newspaper, I've seen bags of cents pure white bags still crisp from 1959 - if taken home and stored correctly they can be almost perfect.
Went to an auction once where a man had boxes of 100 each proof sets of every year back to 54 and the boxes they were in were as crisp as can be - the envelopes would cut you if not careful - again if on eBay (that pains me so) and has any claims to being this or that what it really is is a rip for you, sign on or not it's up to you.

 

GJDMSP and bhp thanks for the info. fleecebay can be a snake pit.

 

I won't say you are wrong again but some of these were in fact sealed and some were not. Where it was a product of moist storage or packaging matters not as some of the envelopes were actually sealed. Given enough storage humidity, the sealing gum on any envelope will self seal.

As for "shipping envelope" vs "mailing envelope", I have never, ever heard of mint set envelopes referred to as "shipping envelopes". Only as mint set envelopes or perhaps packaging envelopes since they are what keeps the Philly and Denver cellos intact and together.

Hmmmm, were the souvenier sets available at the mints sold in "shipping envelopes" or was that packaging?

 

A few of the 1965 SMS's were shipped right in the white envelope with labels affixed. All these I've seen were sealed. These are the exception.

There are conflicting reports about whether or not any of the '59 and later mint sets were sealed but I've heared no convincing arguments in favor of the contention. I have heard first hand accounts that some early proof sets were sealed and can't discount these. There is a huge tendency for the supposedly sealed sets to come from TX and FL. I have seen unopened boxes of sealed sets but they tend to be from humid areas.

There's no doubt the "sealed set" fad on eBay is a scam for the main part. A few might be legitimate from those who don't know better but most are from sellers who not only know but sealed them themselves.

 

WOW! If you have mint sets with proofs in them you may be rich! Keep them in the mint holders.

 

Now we are told that mint sets can also be fake. Why should anyone buy coins that are not purchased directly from the US mint? Coin collecting has become a game. Do you know what you have really? Fake coins, fake mintmarks, cleaned surfaces, fake toning.
The answer is to buy certified coins? I have read of fake slabs, fake labels, coins changed in slabs. We all know that original slabbed coins can be resubmitted for another grade. Crack outs are referred to in the coin books written by experts. Even experts know there are errors comitted and evolving rules to the game.

What has happened? What does this say about the hobby? You can show the same coin to different "experts" and get different grades and even different opinions on authenticity. This gives me pause when I think of buying a rare coin, of course you know better so you won't be fooled. ME I'm not so sure?

Lack

 

I hope it does. People are far too quick to go off and buy rare coins without doing much if any research on them. They rely on "experts" to tell them that they have made a good investment, but the truth is that they'd be much better served to research a coin before buying it and knowing a little (at least) of what they are buying. e.g.- what to look for on a genuine coin, etc.

If you go forth with some knowledge of your own, you needn't so heavily rely on the "expert" opinions and rest much better at night knowing what you have.