It is really scary that someone would not do even a little research before bidding on a coin. Thjis is just sick!! http://cgi.ebay.com/1969-S-DOUBLE-D...mQQptZCoins_US_Individual?hash=item2304b7930b And it is over 100 bucks so far! 13 bids and all private???
Private listing on EBay I think that the seller is the one who puts 'Private Listing" status on the auction. --------------- Is this coin fake? Odd that the only pic is just a close-up of the date but the seller has 10 years on EBay and good feedback. What is the issue?
Sounds like some "Shill Bidding going on there" By the same person I never bid on items where there identity is not shown, If you Cant see the history dont bid!!
There's another rather suspicious private auction at http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1827-Isabel-2...European_RL?hash=item2558167982#ht_617wt_1165 I'm not sure that coin is genuine.
Well Ok, I'm sorry that I'm dumb but help me out here OK? IS that coin fake or not in your opinion? And please tell us why you think so. ------------- I don't know what MMD nor MD means. ------ The coin's date LOOKS doubled in the pic at EBay. At least 13 individuals think it is worth more than 3 cents, the seller isn't exactly fly-by-night or located in China, so can you please simply state what your objection is?
MDD (Machine Double Die) is more accurately referred to as "Strike Doubling". The cent in question is a very good example of Strike Doubling. Strike Doubling is caused by excessive force during the strike. It can be distinguished from a true Doubled Die by the flatness of the underlying device...as if it were "sheered off" by the die. The underlying device of a true Doubled Die is more rounded. A Doubled Die isn't caused by the strike of the coin, but rather by the hubbing of the die itself. As I recall, the hubbing process (creating a working die from the master die) is a multi step process. If, after the first strike, the working die is too brittle, it is sent back through the annealing process (heating and cooling) to strengthen the die. The die (already struck once) must be aligned exactly for the subsequent strikes. If it isn't, doubling occurs. There is usually some focal point of the rotation. Devices further from the focal point exhibit greater doubling. That's my understanding, anyway...hopefully the experts will correct me if I'm wrong. Page #324 of the CherryPickers' Guide, Vol 5 has a good example of the 1969s Doubled Die and Strike Doubling.
Whoa! and muchas gracias --------- THANK YOU! -------- This is a distinction of which I am entirely ignorant and now I have learned something worth knowing. None of this is exactly my bucket of bolts in the numismatic realm but I am always grateful to learn something new.
Did anybody care to look down in the Q & A section where somebody alerted the seller that this is MD. I don't think the seller knew what the difference was.
It is up over $200, so I asked him if he believes he ought to state Machine Doubling more prominently since it is not worth a significant premium.
I appoligize for the delay in response. Had to go do some work...Navy calls. Anyways thanks for helping out yakpoo, great explanation.
WOW! I found a bunch of those MD 69's when searching rolls years ago and traded some at a show for around a $2 value. I'll have to list the rest on eBay. lol
