2,600-year-old mint unearthed in China

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  1. dltsrq

    dltsrq Grumpy Old Man

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  3. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Always be careful on dating of coins from China. Its a national pride thing, they always want to claim to be the first and best at everything. Almost all experts in the west state Chinese coins were a tad later than Greek coins, so this would not be the worlds first mint. However, in my mind it does not matter, both evolved independently, so both are tremendous accomplishments for both civilizations.

    Btw, this is meant as no disrespect to anyone Chinese. I am talking about normal country pride, and academic papers I have read that I do not feel care who is first, only care about the facts. Btw, Sardis mint has been thoroughly excavated, and I would say this is earlier for a mint age.
     
  4. dltsrq

    dltsrq Grumpy Old Man

    When I was an Archaeology student in the 1980s, I wrote my undergraduate thesis on the origins of agriculture in SE Asia. During my research, I came across a number of papers by Chinese "archaeologists" from the 1960s and 1970s that were pure socialist propaganda. It was really painful wading through the stuff. Thank goodness the voltage has been turned way down over the years and better work is being done in China today.
     
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  5. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    FWIW, I've noticed the same thing from many Indian scholars as well. Ask about the Gandharan "bent bar" shatamana and whether they date to before 600 BC or after 400 BC, and whether they are a purely Indigenous invention, or introduced by the Achaemenids as a local equivalent to the stater/Croesid.

    Similarly, I've seen equally convincing theories tying Brahmi to both Aramaic and the Indus Script.

    It's important to remember the impact that pride and propaganda has on both the conscious and subconscious mind.

    Interestingly, I have seen estimates for the inception of Chinese spade and knife coins ranging from over 1,000 BC to as late as 400 BC.
     
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  6. PlanoSteve

    PlanoSteve Well-Known Member

    The whole site is faked...they're trying to promote coin tourism by gullible Westerner's!...:jawdrop::joyful::joyful::joyful:o_O;)
     
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  7. Mammothtooth

    Mammothtooth Stand up Philosopher, Vodka Taster

    Made in China by Red Ants
     
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  8. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect since I was a baby

    I was glad to read that it wasn't a 2600 year old breath mint.
     
  9. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    1000% agree sir. I have read the same. I am actually torn about the origins of Indian numismatics. I know it was introduced fairly early though Afghanistan, and how most early Indian coinage was in NW India close to this. However, it is of such different fabric than western coinage I am unsure if its a local derivation of Persian coinage or if they were just vaguely aware of this but invented their own themselves.

    Indian numismatics is where I would love definitive dating to clear this up. Right now I tend to lean in the independent invention due to the difference in fabric.

    Btw, I was just talking to some Ecuadorians at lunch today. I wish they took more pride in inventing coins in the Americas under the Incans. The Azteca learned from the Incans how to make coins through trade with them. Both probably would have followed the Chinese model of coin development had the Spanish not interrupted them.
     
  10. norenxaq

    norenxaq Active Member

    inca coins?

    elaborate please
     
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  11. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Don't have a picture here. I wrote a couple of years ago the Incans copied the Azteca, but I was wrong. I now believe the Aztecs copied the Incans. One innovation the Incans came up with was denominations. I don't know if they made other sizes, but the group I purchased had three clearly different sizes. The smallest about 1.5 wide by 2cm. Medium about 2.5 by 3.5 cm. Largest around 3.5 by 5cm. I am not aware of any Aztec pieces coming in denominations. The are typical spade shape.

    The Incans living in Ecuador made these. I wish you luck finding any. After I heard about them, took me a decade to find any for sale anywhere, and I was lucky Agora auctions listed one group. I bid like 8 times over what I ended up paying for them. While the quantity is large, unfortunately many are fused together from being buried together. They still have old strings around some groups, which I believe may be original from the burial 500 years ago.
     
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  12. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

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  13. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I read that the site was dated using radiometric dating methods. That gave it a lot more credibility in my opinion.

    So I guess I officially have the earliest coin on this site.

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