A Little Something From Alexander the Great's Lifetime

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by cwart, Jul 11, 2021.

  1. cwart

    cwart Senior Member

    And I do mean a little something... :) 10mm and .64g. An obol from the Babylon mint. It had been drifting through the USPS system for almost a month before arriving earlier this week. Not much to look at, but my first Alexander coin....

    AM-0024obv.jpg am-0024rev.jpg
     
  2. Avatar

    Guest User Guest



    to hide this ad.
  3. sand

    sand Well-Known Member

    That's an interesting coin. Have you been able to find a reference number, for the coin? Like a Sear number, or a Price number, etc? Did the seller provide a reference number? I wonder, if it is a lifetime issue, versus a posthumous issue. Most lifetime issues have Zeus's legs parallel, not crossed, but that is not always true, I think. It looks similar to Sear 6737, because it is an obol, and because Zeus's legs are crossed. However, in Sear 6737, on the reverse side, there is an "anchor and forepart of grazing horse", to the left of Zeus, I think, as well as a sigma-omega inscription, underneath Zeus's throne. On the reverse of your coin, there seems to be a "B", to the left of Zeus, and no inscription underneath Zeus's throne. Perhaps your coin is in the Price book. I'm not very knowledgeable about Alexander The Great obols. Also, I don't have a Price book. I just looked in my Sear book, and ACsearch, and Wildwinds, and Google, to try to find your coin, but I didn't spend a lot of time, trying to find it. I imagine, that other CoinTalk members, are way more knowledgeable about Alexander The Great obols, than I am. I have an Alexander The Great drachm, and an Alexander The Great tetradrachm, both posthumous issues.
     
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2021
  4. sand

    sand Well-Known Member

    P.S. : Here are photos, of the obverse side, of my Alexander The Great posthumous issues, drachm and tetradrachm. Unfortunately, I haven't had time yet, to take photos, of the reverse side, of the coins. And neither of my obverse photos are very good. I hope to take better photos, of the coins, in the near future. The drachm is on the left, and the tetradrachm is on the right. The tetradrachm is way larger, than the drachm, of course. Alexander_The_Great_Drachm_And_Tetradrachm_1.jpg
     
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2021
    Spaniard, PeteB and Curtisimo like this.
  5. sand

    sand Well-Known Member

    P.P.S. :
    My drachm is Price 2733, I think. Posthumous issue. Minted from 323 BC to 280 BC by an uncertain mint in western Asia Minor. Weight = 4.16 grams.
    My tetradrachm is Price 1163, I think. Posthumous issue. Minted from 280 BC to 200 BC in Odessus, which is now called "Varna" in Bulgaria, on the western coast of the Black Sea. Weight = 16.74 grams.
     
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2021
  6. sand

    sand Well-Known Member

    P.P.P.S. : Here are the seller photos, of the reverse side, of my Alexander The Great posthumous drachm and tetradrachm. The drachm is on the left, and the tetradrachm is on the right. Alexander_The_Great_Drachm_And_Tetradrachm_reverse_438_pixels_tall.jpg
     
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2021
    Spaniard, PeteB and Curtisimo like this.
  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    OBOL - Alexander III - Lifetime

    upload_2021-7-11_10-2-22.png
    Makedon
    Alexander III
    336-323 BCE
    AR Obol
    7mm 0.51g

    Babylon Lifetime
    Herakles lion skin
    Club bow quiver wreath
    M Price 3744
     
    Bing, Andres2, Spaniard and 3 others like this.
  8. cwart

    cwart Senior Member


    The seller did provide both a Sear (SG6736) and a Price (3606) reference. I've looked at both and they seem to match. I've had to use the reverse for comparison, because as you can see, on the obverse its kinda hard to see anything.
     
    sand likes this.
  9. sand

    sand Well-Known Member

    For your coin, I guess it's sort of difficult, to tell, whether Zeus's legs are crossed. They sort of looked crossed, to me. If Zeus's legs are crossed, then your coin would be more like Sear 6737, than Sear 6736. But I don't know for sure.
    But then again, I think I found your coin here, or a very similar coin, which says it is Price 3606 and Sear 6736 and a lifetime issue. It has Zeus's legs crossed, and a "B" on the reverse.
    http://augustuscoins.com/index.html
    On the other hand, here is a "Price 3606 variation" with Zeus's legs parallel.
    https://auctions.cngcoins.com/lots/...struck-under-stamenes-or-archon-circa-3243-bc
    And here is Price 3606 on Numismatics.org Pella. All of the examples have Zeus's legs parallel.
    http://numismatics.org/pella/id/price.3606
    So I am confused. I don't know, if Zeus's legs matter, in this case. Maybe they do. Maybe they don't. I don't know.
     
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2021
  10. sand

    sand Well-Known Member

    If I go to ACsearch, and do the following search
    alexander 3606 obol
    https://www.acsearch.info/search.ht...de=1&fr=1&it=1&es=1&ot=1&currency=usd&order=0
    Most of the results, seem to have Zeus's legs parallel.
    But a few of the results, have Zeus's legs crossed.
    So I guess, I haven't confirmed, which Sear number and Price number, your coin is.
    Maybe someone, who owns the Price book, can confirm the Price number.
     
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2021
  11. sand

    sand Well-Known Member

    After looking more closely, at the Pella coin examples, one of examples, the 12th example, looks like, it could have Zeus's legs crossed. But it's hard to tell, with that example.
    http://numismatics.org/pella/id/price.3606
     
  12. kirispupis

    kirispupis Well-Known Member

    I agree that the legs look crossed.

    Here’s mine, a posthumous half obol, Babylon mint and often attributed to Peithon.

    F21065C6-2428-4D2D-A232-475290DFD2BC.jpeg
    6FE9F2E4-608F-4967-A58A-DE81895C8460.jpeg
    46g
    Head of Heracles right wearing a lion skin
    Club, bow and quiver. Monogram to right
    Price 3729
     
    Bing, Spaniard, Alegandron and 2 others like this.
  13. cwart

    cwart Senior Member


    The link from augustus coins is my coin. @Valentinian has been great to work with as I've started my collection. His pictures are leaps and bounds better than mine and I do see what you are talking about with the legs. I have no problem adjusting the Sear and Price numbers if needed, after all its better to have the correct info for the coin. Looks like there is some research in my future... :)
     
    Curtisimo and sand like this.
  14. Terence Cheesman

    Terence Cheesman Well-Known Member

    I actually think your coin is this one
    Kingdom of Egypt Ptolemy I As Satrap Ar obol in the name and types of Alexander the Great 320/19-315 BC Berytus Mint Price 3417 0.40 grms 9.5 mm Sold by CNG E Auction 395 Lot 214 April 12 2017 3950214.jpg
    THIS IS NOT MY COIN As can be seen the style is very similar and the B is in the left field on the reverse. The crossed legged images of Zeus did not appear until 325 BC when they were introduced at the mint of Sidon. We know this because these coins are dated using a civic dating formula . This variety did not spread to other mints until after the death of Alexander
     
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2021
    PeteB, Kavax, Bing and 1 other person like this.
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page