Flow Lines, An Abraded Die, or Improper Cleaning Hairline Scratches?

1964 Quarter on a Nickel Planchet. Are these lines from improper cleaning, flow lines, or die polishing (abraded die) lines?

 

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The lines go under the devices, so die polish lines, right?

 

If they're from the die they're raised. That's what you need to determine, whether the lines are raised, to answer your question.

 

I rewrote the question

 

There is definitely die polish. For example, the raised lines under the nose. There are probably hairlines also but when holding a coin in one position in the light or imaging it in that way make it impossible to see certain hairlines - even with magnification.

 

Sure looks like die polish marks to me.

 

would you like me to send it to you for examination?

 

Not necessary, don't waste the money on postage. Now that you see the raised lines under the nose, look for tiny hairlines INTO the coin by tipping and rotating it at the same time.

 

I can dig that, as there are just too many variables.

 

GDJMSP, posted: "Not necessarily always true. Post strike scratches and hairlines create both raised lines and incuse lines. And of course so do die polish lines. But they are different in nature than scratches and hairlines."

This is not true at all. Doug may wish to post his comments in another way to make it more clear. ANY TYPE, ANY SEVERITY, and ANY LENGTH of post strike mark on a coin WILL BE INTO ITS SURFACE and not raised above it. The only exception I can possibly think of happens when someone takes a knife and gouges a scratch at an angle into the coin. This produces a raised surface next to the furrow. Ignorant folks these damaged coins were struck with a "cancelled die!"

TRUE: As to the OP's question, yeah the coin has some die polish lines on it. But it has some post strike scratches and hairlines on it too. There's even some on the bust.

 

I agree. It's the equivalent of running your finger on a clay object (unhardened, of course). Creating the depression means the clay in that area has to go somewhere, thus it displaces and raises along the outer perimeter.

 

Definitely not 'flow lines'.......MHO

 

i can't tell what those emojis are or what this is supposed to mean

 

Well it didn't work. Good Morning. It is a bad day when I come to coin talk and get no alerts. I expected to get a good discussion going and raise the old guy from the dead.

I do not teach that scratches appear as raised lines on a coin for the simple reason that 98% of the time they don't appear as raised lines that you can see. That's why I used the commonly seen deep angular & intentional scratch (fake cancelled die) that DOES APPEAR raised.

Now. If we look at a hairline at 400X it will have raised sides. If wee look at a scratch at 100+X it will have raised sides. Add a slight amount of circulation and the "sides" are gone. Large deep scratched will have raised sides until they are worn down but there is no way a person with knowledge will mistake one of these marks for die polish!

One hint: Very often the end of a scratch will have a raised "burr" at the furthest tip from where it started from "displaced metal" that is visible.

 

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