Austrian THALER

My second entry into the field of COIN COLLECTING, a 1780 MARIE THERESE, Empress, Austria-Hungary; originally INCORRECTLY described in auction catalogue as "RARE 1780 I.C.F.A. AUSTRIA HUNGRY VIENNA 1 THALER."

 

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"Hungry" is a bodily state of being; "HUNGARY" is a nation. Also, "I.C.F.A." does NOT appear anywhere on this coin.

 

I don't want you to like the coin less (Maria Theresia thalers are very elegant coins) but this is a modern restrike. OFFICIAL from Austria, not a cheap copy.
Check this website
https://www.theresia.name/en/svergleich.html
The most clear sign that it's a restrike, for me, is the reverse legend. AVST.DUX instead of AUST.DUX.

 

..yeah..kool coin, but the Arabs loved these coins and so they stuck many after '80..they were purdy much standard international currency...learn sumpin new everyday and welcome to the forum

 

I hope you didn't pay too much for this coin. Not sure why the seller/auction house didn't mention the coin is a restrike and really not sure why ICFA as that would mean it was an old restrike and you should see ICFA under the bust and not SF.
As @ominus1 mentioned, these restrikes are very popular worldwide

 

Thank you, ambrOzie for the heads up:

Key identification characteristics for the 1780 strikes are in particular the form of the brooch in the veil on the obverse (no pearls, except for the later Vienna mint strike), the form of the letter 'U' in the reverse (AUST.DUX instead of AVST.DUX), the form of the cross next to the the year on the obverse, and the form of the ' 7 ' in the year. Older Vienna mint strikes (earlier than 1850) are signed I.C.-F.A. instead of S.F.

 

so, you think this is from 1780?

 

NO, but this coin has been famous for hundreds of years, even in SOUTH AMERICA and The CARIBBEAN, during the reign of pirates, buccaneers & salty mercenaries!

 

Final hammer price: $65. A very elegant coin indeed, the scrollwork alone on the reverse and on the edge is AMAZING!

 

Maria Theresa was Ed Winn.

 

I have a proof and an MS version of this coin, comprised of .833 silver at .7517 Toz...total wt 28g. Also have some detailed info (somewhere) on how/what to look for to ID date-ranges of the various restrikes and where they were struck. Will try and look it up. I paid about $20-$25 for mine some years ago.

 

Absolutely

 

I think I bought mine for $8 or so...(Old stone age)

 

@Tigermoth1 your Thaler seems to be Hafner 49a restrike from 1860-1890/1900 you can see it here:
http://www.theresia.name/cgi-bin/Token.cgi?Item=H49a

I have one of these Thalers too, but you need to check if there are two dots between ET and CLEMENTIA on the edge, which you didn't show in your OP.

All the variants can be found here:
http://www.theresia.name/en/svariants.html

 

i've collected coins of all the Austrian Habsburg HRE's including a 20 kruzter of Maria Theresia... heck, i've even got the flag, but i'm 'too tight of tets' so no thalers here .(.altho i'd like to have one of the 1st to have came out ((ive a denar of his the year he was killed)..but o well)

 

i like to watch ol Ed....plays in one of my fav TZOS's

 

And, now, on to my someday wishlist, I'm in search of LUDWIG ii, King of Bavaria:

 

Thanks a ton for those links. This has been a coin on my want-list, but I don't want a restrike. As it's not a primary target, I've been too lazy yet to research them. You just made it so much easier for me, and it has now moved up on my list.

 

Then there's ole Franz Joseph I, Emperor and King of the Austrian-Hungarian Empire.

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@Beefer518 for an original, I think that they are quite easy to identify, but very hard to find. E.g.: Currently there are only three known examples of Maria Theresa Thalers that were actually struck in 1780 at the Guenzburg mint. (quoted from
https://www.collectorsweekly.com/stories/70419-original-1780-non-restrike-burgau-mar)

About restrikes, there are many forgeries offered on the Internet, some are very good; one can see them here:
http://www.theresia.name/cgi-bin/Token.cgi?Database=Forgeries&Language=en