To Resubmit or Not Resubmit

The one coin is actually in an AU58 holder, glad you agree it looks MS62...lol

You may well be right on the other one. Any kind of PL fields that enhance the detection of abrasions has typically resulted in the coin getting a lower grade in spite of the PL surfaces. To their credit, NGC is pretty consistent on that, but it still doesn't make the coin less desirable than one struck with die erosion resulting in frosty fields. Or at least I don't think it does.

 

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I would Crack that one out, something happened in the grading process such as they found a very tiny rub in a high point so instead of Unc. Details it was given AU-58 or Inexperienced Grader.
Sending it back in as is might make them give it extra scrutiny to look at it harder why it was undergraded so much.

Sending it back in I would opt for express tier that can help get better results.

 

You are probably correct, sending it in slabbed will get me an MS61 at best, raw probably an MS62 or even MS63. It has a nice warm satiny look to it, here's the reverse. I can't see any wear on the high points at the upper corners of the coat of arms. The knots on the corners show wear first, and I don't see any luster breaks. There might be a touch of cabinet friction in the upper reaches of the hair on the obverse, but given how clean the fields are it's hard to imagine the coin not rating UNC.



Here's the same coin headed to auction at Stack's. I would say this is accurate at MS64. Certainly nicer than mine regardless of assigned grade.

https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/l...a-ari-1937-r-rome-mint-pcgs-ms-64-gold-shield

 

The thing is, MS62 and AU58 are literally the same coin today. The Tpg's have allowed slightly dull coins with a slight wisp to the surfaces as MS coins. Some of these wisps aren't seen to the untrained eye but they are there.

 

Lol you’re funny

 

Agree, 58 and 62 have always been kind of interchangeable. Been that way for a long time. Has to have lots of bag marks to get an MS60 or MS61. Used to be MS63 meant it shouldn't have anything obvious wrong with it. That's not true so much anymore, plenty of really ugly coins in MS63. MS63 was at one time considered the "minimum" grade for a coin meant for investment purposes. In fact, if I had to pick a single grade that has seen the most inflation over the past 20 years, it would be MS63. There has been plenty of inflation in other grades as well, but nothing like MS63.

 

If only I were on the same comedic level as your “facts”.

@princeofwaldo, I have derailed your thread enough. I apologize.

 

Thats for the laughs.

 

AU58 used to be a brillant coin with maybe the slightest wisp of contact. Now we are finding those coins in MS slabs. I have a hard time allowing those coins to be acceptable. I don't care if the graders are overloaded. It oust to be that the grader was able to take extra time on a questionable coin.

The coins being put thru the system today solely built on value, is not acceptable to the everyday grader, it might be acceptable to @baseball21 . But not, and shouldn't be acceptable to the everyday grader.

 

The red-boxed option chooses a higher OR lower grade, it doesn't allow you to choose only higher...

 

Yes, exactly. You can list either a higher OR lower grade than what is already stated on the label. What you quoted was in response to another member stating that you could not list a higher grade as the minimum on a crossover. As it turns out, you can. I was able to confirm as much with PCGS earlier today.

 

That doesn't surprise me. I guess I need to bring the coins back to another PCGS show and ask someone else with PCGS (who knows what they are doing) to help me out with the submission? Didn't seem like anyone there at the show the other day were familiar with PCGS's own policies; almost worse than eBay in that regard. Then again, PCGS was given a chance to assist me and failed. Maybe I should be talking to NGC instead. Maybe submit the best coin of the bunch, see how they do, then consider submitting the others.

 

You waiting your time trying to help him. The submissions process literally says

"For coins previously graded (currently encapsulated) by another grading service, PCGS will holder the coin only if it meets or exceeds your specific request notated in the Minimum Grade column. Indicate one of the following:

• CURRENT (Default) – Requests coins to cross at grade listed on holder
• ANY – Requests coins to cross at any numerical grade (01-70)
• DETAILS – Request Genuine with Details
• If you would like to specify a lower grade than listed on the holder, write your acceptable numerical grade (include suffix if applicable).

You cannot specify a higher minimum grade. MS/PR 70 coins must have a minimum grade of 70 or lower. You cannot specify a minimum details grade for genuine coins. First Strike or equivalent will not be recognized. For additional questions and further explanation, review the PCGS Submission Guidelines."

That's literally directly from an online crossover submission I just started today but he apparently knows best

 

I am not the one who is misinformed and in need of help. Your “facts” are based on outdated information that does not reflect the new crossover policy. I’m not sure when it changed, but I first noticed the difference in early January.

I wouldn’t expect you to take my word for it, but you should call PCGS. I doubt you will call, but if you do, I hope you have the integrity to come back here and correct your error.

Also, you might be interested to know that the PDF submission forms have already been updated. The new language under the “Submission Guidelines” section is inconsistent with the language used when submitting online. When I asked about this discrepancy, I was told that it is always best practice to use the PDF submission forms.

 

@baseball21 to help settle this debate, I emailed PCGS about their crossover policy. Here is the email I sent.



Here is their reply.



For those interested in actual facts, you can submit a coin for crossover and request that it only crossover to PCGS if it meets the requirements for a grade higher or lower than what is already assigned (i.e., you can list a minimum grade that is higher than what is already assigned).

 

Why is that, can anyone help me understand?